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Faith prior to being saved, Romans 10:13-15.

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MB

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1689Dave said:
God doesn't force any to be saved. He miraculously gives you a new heart that discerns the true Christ. And the witness of the Holy Spirit causes you to believe. Free will is not involved. If you ever experience this you will understand it.
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Well Dave you can believe that stuff because you want to believe it. See there you too have freewill.
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1689Dave said:
Are you sure? Many choose an acceptable Christ that appeals to the flesh. They hate the true God. Think of it this way. If Calvin was right about sin and grace, how many people actually hate God? This doesn't mean they are not saved But it means they are deceived for the time being.
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So in your theology people that "hate the true God" are saved? Would you mind explaining that one.
 
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Silverhair said:
So in your theology people that "hate the true God" are saved? Would you mind explaining that one.
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God saves people by grace. They have nothing to do with it. Many hate God when saved. Apostle Paul was out killing believes when God saved him. It was from that state of mind he learned about Christ. How many Muslims hate God when converted to Christ. And only accept him in love after learning of him? You seem to think people save themselves when they cannot discern the truth.
 
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MB said:
Impossible! things that are Spiritual are true and faith comes by hearing the word first. Calvinism makes no sense because it isn't of scripture.
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What you saying isnt making sense. No Grace, No Faith ! A person believes through grace.
 
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Nothing of man? Then why do people need to hear the gospel or God's truth?
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God gives the hearing ear friend. Men must be of God to hear His Words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

According to Jesus who hears the word of God ?
 
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Brightfame52 said:
Yes, Im telling the truth !
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Brightfame52 said:
God gives the hearing ear friend. Men must be of God to hear His Words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

According to Jesus who hears the word of God ?
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I hear just fine what I do not understand is what and why you make false claims about scripture that just aren't in scripture as you claim. My faith certainly is not in you.
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Brightfame52 said:
God gives the hearing ear friend. Men must be of God to hear His Words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

According to Jesus who hears the word of God ?
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This is not at issue. A person being of God to hear God's word involves man. So it is not nothing of man. You assume God knowing the end result of those whom God saves means God saves a person before they hear, Matthew 25:31-46. Which is not the case.
 
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