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Fundamentalists least educated

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InTheLight

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Luke's Bible:

"Go ye therefore and teach all nations, diploma-sizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the post-secondary education."
 

Pastor_Bob

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Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (KJV)

The explosion of knowledge is a sign of the end times.
Up until the 1900s it was said that the accumulation of knowledge doubled every century. At the end of WWII, every 25 years. Today, knowledge is doubling every year and a half. IBM predicts that in the next couple of years, information will double every 11 hours. Knowledge Doubling Curve and You - www.martingover.com October 6, 2009

Moses was schooled in Egypt's finest schools and universities, but he didn't use any of that in his service to God. God had to send him to the backside of the desert for 40 years to prepare him to trust and obey God, and to make him the leader that God wanted him to be. That's something the best education available in the world at that time failed teach him.
 
This is serious research, not just some guy's polling and stats thrown quickly together. Read it carefully:
Phi Beta Kappa claims, according to your quote, that "The public has high regard for the public schools, wants needed improvement to come through those schools, and has little interest in seeking alternatives." I find that unlikely.

In a Gallup poll a year and a half ago, 78% said independent private schools did a good or excellent job in educating children, Catholic or other Christian schools were regarded by 69% of respondents as doing a good to excellent job, 60% gave the good/excellent ratings to charter schools, 46% said homeschooling is good to excellent, and only 37% gave that rating to public schools.

Public schools displaced homeschooling among parents of current K-12 students responding to the poll, 80% calling independent private schools either good or excellent, and 72% gave one of those ratings to faith-based educational primary and second institutions. Charter schools got a 61% good/excellent response, and public and homeschooling were in a dead-heat tie, 47% and 46%, respectively.

Chief pollster Jeffery Jones of Gallup said those responses lead to these implications:
Americans are much more inclined to believe students in private, parochial, or charter schools receive a high-quality education than to say this about students in public schools and those who are home schooled. Americans in general are not highly satisfied with the state of public schooling in the United States, although that is probably not a commentary on their own child's school and schools in their local area because Americans have historically been quite satisfied with each of those. Rather, Americans may just have a general sense that U.S. public education is not where it needs to be, perhaps due to news media reports that American students lag behind students in other countries in basic academic skills.
I think Americans have reached the point that they may be ready to scrap the public education model, despite the history of them believing in their own public schools. What we have, doesn't work.
 

OldRegular

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It matters. The whole world knows that it matters.

America is one of the least educated nations in the industrialized world today and Christians are leading the way in this country in that regard.

God is not pleased with our ignorance or our sorriness.

That ought to be so obvious that it goes without saying, but, sadly, as is made apparent by some on this thread, it is not obvious.

Christians lead this nation on to its demise much like priests and prophets in Jeremiah's day led Israel to her demise.

And guys like Old Regular and Rev. Mitchell DESPERATELY want to keep their heads in the sand and plunge as many other Christians heads in the sand as possible until America is just a shell of what she was.

That's the thing about guys like that- both in the Bible and here on this thread- they want to blame the evils of our days on everything but their own mentalities.

It's not the gays' fault we are in decline.

It's not the atheists' fault we are falling apart as a nation.

It's not the liberals or Obama.

It's the church in America.

You can hate the messenger all you want- but nothing is going to change the facts I have presented.

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OldRegular

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The heart of a pastor folks!

It matters. The whole world knows that it matters.

America is one of the least educated nations in the industrialized world today and Christians are leading the way in this country in that regard.

God is not pleased with our ignorance or our sorriness.

That ought to be so obvious that it goes without saying, but, sadly, as is made apparent by some on this thread, it is not obvious.

Christians lead this nation on to its demise much like priests and prophets in Jeremiah's day led Israel to her demise.

And guys like Old Regular and Rev. Mitchell DESPERATELY want to keep their heads in the sand and plunge as many other Christians heads in the sand as possible until America is just a shell of what she was.

That's the thing about guys like that- both in the Bible and here on this thread- they want to blame the evils of our days on everything but their own mentalities.

It's not the gays' fault we are in decline.

It's not the atheists' fault we are falling apart as a nation.

It's not the liberals or Obama.

It's the church in America.

You can hate the messenger all you want- but nothing is going to change the facts I have presented.
 

OldRegular

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The heart of a pastor folks. From post #15 "Old folks who think they love old things".

And, like what I am going to say here or not- they were stupid. That's what they are. They are dumb. Plain and simple. They could not last two rounds in a debate with anyone better than a half-wit concerning the things they hold so dear.

They scream and hollar about the OLD PATHS and rant and rave about how they are STILL STANDING but they wouldn't know something in the church that was truly old if it bit them on the rear. They really wouldn't.

And I am very convinced that these types do ten times the harm to the Kingdom than the good they might do on occasion.
 

OldRegular

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That doesn't mean he has his facts right. "Stats" can be made to say anything a person wants them to say

An old saying about statisticians. Goes something like the following: Statistics don't lie but liars do statistics!
 
It matters. The whole world knows that it matters.

America is one of the least educated nations in the industrialized world today and Christians are leading the way in this country in that regard.

God is not pleased with our ignorance or our sorriness.

That ought to be so obvious that it goes without saying, but, sadly, as is made apparent by some on this thread, it is not obvious.

Christians lead this nation on to its demise much like priests and prophets in Jeremiah's day led Israel to her demise.

And guys like Old Regular and Rev. Mitchell DESPERATELY want to keep their heads in the sand and plunge as many other Christians heads in the sand as possible until America is just a shell of what she was.

That's the thing about guys like that- both in the Bible and here on this thread- they want to blame the evils of our days on everything but their own mentalities.

It's not the gays' fault we are in decline.

It's not the atheists' fault we are falling apart as a nation.

It's not the liberals or Obama.

It's the church in America.

You can hate the messenger all you want- but nothing is going to change the facts I have presented.
Since there are no facts, just a rant, at least that part of the post is accurate.

::: this text in place of many good laughing emoticons that, if left in place, will prevent me from saying this :::

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Winman

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Luke was certain with his superior education, and basic carpentry skills, that he too could walk on water.

 

Luke2427

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The heart of a pastor folks. From post #15 "Old folks who think they love old things".

And who was I talking about?

Are you saying that you think there are not old people who fit that bill? Old people who have been fully responsible for the closing of the doors of many of the 3,500 churches that close down every year??

You don't think these people ought to be exposed and resisted for the incalculable harm they've done to the Kingdom??

Seriously???

OBVIOUSLY that is not all old people. I never said any such thing. But that there are MANY old people in churches running them into the ground while standing for "the old paths"- and they know LITERALLY NOTHING about real old paths- is without a reasonable doubt.
 

Luke2427

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Since there are no facts, just a rant, at least that part of the post is accurate.


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I am the only one who has cited any facts on this whole thread.

I have cited Barna Group and Pew.

FACTS

F A C T S

But if you want to ignore them, I can't stop you.

God said, Judgment begins at the House of God.

The Lord said, If my people which are called by MY name shall humble themselves (which is the opposite of what my detractors do in this threa) then will I... heal their land.

I am actually AMAZED at the lack of repentance and godly sorrow for the TERRIBLE state of evangelicalism and fundamentalism in this country.
 
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exscentric

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Looked a little at the chart - noticed couple fair sized groups that were not mentioned that would be in the conservative side, noticed - guessing here - those denominations with higher numbers are more metropolitan type churches where more education would naturaly be. Those of lesser education I'd guess would be less metro areas - not like a farmer needs a phd but corporate types/professors might want one.

I would guess some other variables might be observed with more observation.

How much stock would I put in it - ehh. Does it concern me the liberals/lost are more educated than us - ehh. We got a God that is smarter en all of em don't we and we got His word that is truth so we duh winners taint we?

I would assume that since this is so big an issue that if you don't have advanced degrees that you are planning to seek one or two. Also assume you will be pushing your congregation to all get back into school.

Sorry, just don't see ten pages on this subject even though I slogged though them all today.
 

righteousdude2

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What is it with you and intellect?

The more "fundamentalist" the less educated./QUOTE]

Intellect is not spelled "always correct!"

In fact, you should know better than anyone, Luke, that the more education a preacher has the more tendency they have to lose track of the child-like faith it takes to believe, and light a fire under those you lead. Too much rationalization and application of book knowledge will rob the teacher and the students of pure truth.

Over analyzing is the Bible is the problem with many seminary preachers, and in doing so, they tend to lose track of the Biblical World View of the Word of God, sliding down that slippery slope and into the jaws of a world biblical view of the Bible! Book knowledge is only acceptable and good when the book the knowledge comes from is "THEE book (the Word of God).

I am not including you in this group, so don't get ALL defensive on me here. I am, however, including the over-educated teachers who minister at our more liberal churches, like the Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, and let's not forget the Catholics? It is the thinking of these academiacs that has ushered in the inclusion and ordaining of homo$e#ual$, and same gender marriage to name just a few of their faults!

Education, and the longer a heart and mind are exposed to it, often result in more liberal thinking processes, and that is true when it comes to all things in life, from politics, to social ideals and cultural leanings.

I believe that the intellectual drive for bucket full of academia is where the ideologues were given birth!

As for the stats, you provided, you know that any poll in the hands of a good statistician can be slanted and hyped and spun any which way the party behind the poll wants it to read; much like you are doing, and then throwing back in the faces of the folks commenting, daring them to prove your stats wrong.

Well, here's a stat for you ... a while back I did a poll on drinking alcohol, and I guess I could have concluded from the majority of those responding who said they drink ... that Baptists are drunkards! That isn't true, and you and I know that. And this is true about the stats you posted here. These numbers have been spun to read like the pollster wanted it to read!

I am more inclined to judge the abilities and capabilities of those in the pulpit on their heart knowledge of God over their book knowledge. I'd rather listen to a sermon from a man or woman that loves the Lord and trusts in the Holy Ghost to empower them, than some convoluted, flowery fluff of well-placed words that have been well rehearsed and thought out prior to preaching on Sunday.

I'm sorry, but some of the world's greatest preachers and evangelists possessed an average amount of intellect and a universe of faith and a huge heart for God! I've sat under Phd, Thd, MDiv preachers, and while they used all the right words, and showed themselves to be well studied on the topic they presented, they also were more likely to be unable to reach beyond the level of boredom caused by their less than enthusiastic, monotone, mundane presentation. And it is this intellectual approach to preaching that causes the majority of the congregation to either doze off, or sit and stare at their watch wanting to get church over on time, so they can beat the Baptist or Pentecostals to the local Hometown Buffet; reigned supreme! How many intellectually taught preachers do you see making it as world-wide evangelists?

I don't know you, Luke, and you are probably well versed and rehearsed, and you may be able to motivate your congregation, but I guarantee you that it is not due to your level of intellectual knowledge but a combination of that intellect and your love for God, and the desire to share the Gospel to a lost world!
 
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