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General Reconciliation
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GOD I shout GOD!
I understand and I believe it was the first thing in the plan of God in sending his Son into the world. I do not believe it needs to be preceded by general, particular or any other word.
for if, being enemies, we have been reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, From Rom 5:10
for what the law (Thou shall not eat of it) was not able to do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, His own Son having sent in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, did condemn the sin in the flesh, Romans 8:3
Why the need for reconciliation? ---
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life Gen 3:22-24
how that God was in Christ -- a world reconciling to Himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses; and having put in us the word of the reconciliation, 2 Cor 5:19
Now methinks, that the underlined, we and the us, are the same folk but that does not mean the whole world is excluded.
The fool rejects wisdom and correction
canadyjd
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So, your beliefs are full of wisdom and correction and anyone who disagrees is a fool?
It doesn’t advance your position at all to call names. It only disrupts serious attempts to debate these issues.
peace to you
Smokescreed none stop. Pay no attention to the bogus claims of Calvinists.
Once again Percho, I am not sure what your point is. Are you saying Christ died for all mankind (General Reconciliation) or only for the supposedly previously chosen elect (Particular Reconciliation)?
The need for reconciliation is not in dispute, since we were all "made sinners" so we either obtain eternal life through faith, or eternal punishment through God not crediting our faith as righteousness.
But 2 Corinthians 5:19 is germane. "... namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Yes the "we" in Romans 5:10 refers to individuals who have been placed in Christ. And yes, those who have been placed in Christ are the "us" who are ambassadors of Christ with the ministry of reconciliation. And that true is what this thread was intended to teach.
How is God in Christ reconciling individual members of "the world?" If you are not spiritually "in Christ" you are not reconciled but if God puts you "in Christ" you are reconciled. So God is reconciling the world, one believer at a time, when He places believers into Christ.
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What does that have to do with my post?
All are resurrected. All. And it’s by Jesus’ power. So there’s at least salvation from death at the hand of Jesus. That was my point.
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Re-read the scripture you posted. My question is not complicated and it's directly related to the scripture you posted.
I never said your question was complicated, just irrelevant to my post, which was an answer to @atpollard’s question. Rereading hasn’t changed that. Maybe you should reread AT’s post to find the context of mine.
But going back to your question, it isn’t related to the scripture I posted either. The scripture talked of those that had done good, not that were good.
1689Dave
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Many steal his glory and give it to their self-righteous selves.
On and on, folks, Calvinists changing the subject to me and perhaps my hatred of God. So sad.
Christ died as a ransom for all (1 Timothy 2:6) not for just a few.
Christ bought with His blood those heading for destruction (2 Peter 2:1)
Christ became the propitiation or means of salvation for the whole world (mankind). 1 John 2:2
Scripture is right and those make it to no effect are wrong.
Citation please, so we can discuss. Just appealing to the Bible as a while shuts down useful conversations.
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Calvinists re-ask the same questions over and over and then ignore the answers given over and over.
But here it is again for the umpteeth time:
Propitiation provides the means of salvation from the wrath of God. And just what is this means? The blood of Christ, the life laid down as a ransom for all. Everyone and anyone placed into Christ as our propitiatory shelter obtains salvation, they are forgiven and the decrees against them are set aside.
Romans 3:10-18,22-30 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.
For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
Philippians 3:8-9 Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—
1 Corinthians 1:30-31 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”
2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Romans 5:1-11 Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God’s love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
You chose not to answer the question, Van. I will ask you again, since you are the one who brought up the means of salvation. Please answer this very simple question.
What is the means of salvation, van?
Do humans play a part in the means by which they are saved? Or is the means by which humans are saved entirely by God alone?
Van, I believe the means of salvation is entirely by God alone. Do you agree?
Calvinists post false charges over and over, pay not attention to these non-stop falsehoods. They are smokescreed
You chose not to answer the question, Van. I will ask you again, since you are the one who brought up the means of salvation. Please answer this very simple question.
What is the means of salvation, van?
Do humans play a part in the means by which they are saved? Or is the means by which humans are saved entirely by God alone?
Van, I believe the means of salvation is entirely by God alone. Do you agree?
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