one kind is enough
the physical cannot sin, Sin,is an offense to God and is a spiritual response to spiritual stimuli, The physical cannot , just like trying decide the size or weight of a color
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the physical cannot sin, Sin,is an offense to God and is a spiritual response to spiritual stimuli, The physical cannot , just like trying decide the size or weight of a color
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sure it is Psalms 82
but you verses show, the physical cannot know spiritual. We as sinners relate to God , physical beings ( animals?)without souls cannot
But we are not just one kind we are tripartite - body soul and spirit.
Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Not certain what you consider “the spiritual creation?”
without the new birth you cannot understand....you are without a base trying to understand...it cannot happen
Pastor_Bob
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Agree.
Disagree. Although my finite mind cannot quite comprehend it (Isa. 55:8), I believe all men have a chance to be saved (Titus 2:11; John 1:9; I Timothy 2:4).
I was saved through the bus ministry of a SBC 42 years ago. It is only by the grace and mercy of God that I am in the ministry today.
If you know me and are familiar with our Bible college, give me a call sometime and I'd be happy to discuss this with you. I feel like we're going around in circles here on the BB.
never ending circles
Think of my ancestors who might be Cherokee, perhaps even BC, They live and died and never heard of Jesus.
Yet we know "He that hat the Son hath life"
Well there is a problem when we consider God is not a respector of persons, yet we have the dilema. How is this person saved?
Did Jesus preach to the physically dead after the cruxificion?
We know God is fair so our understanding must be incomplete
yes, but the natural man is not just the unsaved. or else we have to know the Holy Spirit in order to receive the Holy Spirit.
The lost have to come under conviction and understand in order to be saved So the natural man is without spiritual not just lost
fyi, Im also from GA, just the other end
Pastor_Bob
Sure He does...He sends multitudes to hell....
mt25;
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Not true...many are awaiting hell right now justly on account of their sins.
many never knew about a "free pardon".
Salvation is not potential but actual...
Sure He does...He sends multitudes to hell....
mt25;
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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Not true...many are awaiting hell right now justly on account of their sins.
many never knew about a "free pardon".
No....God saves sinners...he does not just do everything necessary..
Salvation is not potential but actual...
Some might reject the blood of the cross...but most never hear of it, and die in their sins...
I am in Cordele right now..exit 101...on I -75
The natural man is unsaved...we are born unsaved...we need the Spirit...look here;
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
We must get the first things in order first...
Please consider Romans 1. Our Lord makes it quite clear that all are without excuse because when they knew God (The true Creator of Heaven and Earth) they glorified Him not as God but became vain in their imaginations. The flesh wants idols and a say in how they are worshipped, it does not want to acknowledge a Creator to be accountable to. So when these so called "heathens" were born, they could sense the true God, however, puberty and the their "world" learned it right out of them.
Our Lord also said that whomsoever seeks Me, shall find Me. Throughout History, those who have truly sought after the true Creator were sent His Word and the Spirit. Those that did not want to know and answer to the true Creator, made their own idols/religions. Even if it were only a handful of people truly seeking God, the Lord would and will always respond. (Lot's bargaining with God over Sodom demonstrates this same principle).
you were born as unsaved, with a time of infancy as Adam did, We are not innocent but non accountable.
We are unsaved because we are born ,
You support the narrative by showing the lost are without God. The spiritally lost are considered spiritually dead unable to restore te relationship with God. but being Human God has offered us the chance
No friend, it is against your indoctrination but hardly against Scripture. It is the "group think" you must move away from and listen only to God's Word.
Spiritual creation was when beings in Heaven were created, seraphimsm cherbims, etc. It is separate from physical creation. We know angels already existed at physical creation from Job 38:7 when angels rejoiced at creation
Yes to both of those. 'The LORD said to Moses, "When anyone sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden........"' (Leviticus 4:1 etc.).
Wrong.
We inherit Adam's fallen nature and that is why we sin.
Consider:
Genesis 1:27. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.'
Genesis 5:2-3. 'When God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, He called them "man."
When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth.'
How much clearer do you need it?
I do not understand your point please explain. I totally agree with these verses .
Do you think you look lke God? or are you also a spiritual being , as He is?
no an accident without intention is not sin. intention is sin without and accident. Look at Jesus commeny about adulttry. Lusted in their heart" and were guilty
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