How am I condemned?

[loDebar]

Well, God saves all who he wills to get saved, right? God is in control over where all of us were born, right?
And who are we to try to say that whatever happens, that we did not get what we really deserved, if found in Hell?

no, the predestination arguement is mute if we were actuallly with him before being human.. Foreknow is a previous relationship not foreknowledge. of events. He predestined us to be conformed to the image of His son is not salvation or growth but simply having a body like Jesus, them we are called, them justified, them sanctified. If conforming is salvation, we cannot be conformed before we are called or justified.

God "predestines" us a body, family and time for us to decide to repent. He has the blessings of salvation waiting for believers

 

[loDebar]

There are no Baptists that i know of that blame Adam for the sin we commit and are responsible for.

all who believe in inherited sin can do just that. "It is not my fault, Adam sinned first" " The devil made me do it"... both are false

 

[Yeshua1]

no, the predestination arguement is mute if we were actuallly with him before being human.. Foreknow is a previous relationship not foreknowledge. of events. He predestined us to be conformed to the image of His son is not salvation or growth but simply having a body like Jesus, them we are called, them justified, them sanctified. If conforming is salvation, we cannot be conformed before we are called or justified.

God "predestines" us a body, family and time for us to decide to repent. He has the blessings of salvation waiting for believers

How could we be with Him before we even were though?

 

[HankD]

Was breaking the Mosaic law not sin?

"If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: but if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it."—Proverbs 9:12

"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: Every man shall be put to death for his own sin."—Deuteronomy 24:16

The sin of Adam is imputed sin to each of us of which we all receive condemnation.

Deuteronomy 24 is personal sin of which we are also condemned.

The law came to prove to us on a personal basis that we are sinners by the nature we received from Adam.

Adamic guilt is a trick of the devil to not blame yourself

You are wrong, there is no doubt in my mind that I am a sinner.
I am guilty, I blame myself. Not only that my sins prove that I have put my stamp of approval on what I am - a sinner.

HankD

 

[agedman]

The biggest falacy of inherited sin, is to let us blames Adam anf therefore God for OUR sin. Why did God place me as a human in a sinful state?(My ancestors) I have not heard of Jesus and going straight to hell.Did God make me in order to save me?

This is the result of current Baptidst Teaching

Do not the Scriptures state that a child left to his own devices will bring shame to the parents?

There is no reason to blame Adam, the devil, or “I’m just human,” or ....

You inherited a rebellious spirit because that is the results of the first Adam.

However, it is choice of the unbeliever to remain in rebellion.

 

[loDebar]

How could we be with Him before we even were though?

We were through what?

We were with God for ages (there is no time in Heaven) . He created us individually and we had an intimate relationship with Him.

We were expelled because of sin, then after ages, a body for possible pardon

 

[loDebar]

The sin of Adam is imputed sin to each of us of which we are receive condemnation.

Deuteronomy 24 is personal sin of which we are also condemned.

The law came to prove to us on a personal basis that we are sinners by the nature we received from Adam.



You are wrong, there is no doubt in my mind that I am a sinner.
I am guilty, I blame myself. Not only that my sins prove that I have put my stamp of approval on what I am - a sinner.

HankD

I agree, so why are you blaming Adam for our tendacies?
The physical was cursed through Adam . The spiritual was already condemned or I can blame Adam

Are you condemned without knowledge of the law?

 

[loDebar]

Do not the Scriptures state that a child left to his own devices will bring shame to the parents?

There is no reason to blame Adam, the devil, or “I’m just human,” or ....

You inherited a rebellious spirit because that is the results of the first Adam.

However, it is choice of the unbeliever to remain in rebellion.

you have you rebellious nature , just as Adam has but not from Adam.

 

[Yeshua1]

I agree, so why are you blaming Adam for our tendacies?
The physical was cursed through Adam . The spiritual was already condemned or I can blame Adam

Who was the cause of these sinful tendacies?

 

[agedman]

no, the predestination arguement is mute if we were actuallly with him before being human.. Foreknow is a previous relationship not foreknowledge. of events. He predestined us to be conformed to the image of His son is not salvation or growth but simply having a body like Jesus, them we are called, them justified, them sanctified. If conforming is salvation, we cannot be conformed before we are called or justified.

God "predestines" us a body, family and time for us to decide to repent. He has the blessings of salvation waiting for believers

Allowing the Holy Spirit to guide one into truth rather then trying to rationalize is Always best, wouldn’t you agree?

The Scriptures address this in Romans. And also in the statement of John “3All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

 

[Pastor_Bob]

so you have to believe God made man just to send some to hell
you have to believe God is a respector of persons... having favorites. etc.

No, sir. These are not the conclusions at which I arrive.

I do not believe God sends anyone to hell. All who spend eternity separated from God have made a conscious choice to reject His free pardon of sin. God did everything necessary for us to go to heaven. We have to step over the blood of Christ to enter into hell.

 

[JonShaff]

all who believe in inherited sin can do just that. "It is not my fault, Adam sinned first" " The devil made me do it"... both are false

I've never heard these words uttered from anyone with any level of seriousness.

 

[loDebar]

No, sir. These are not the conclusions at which I arrive.

I do not believe God sends anyone to hell. All who spend eternity separated from God have made a conscious choice to reject His free pardon of sin. God did everything necessary for us to go to heaven. We have to step over the blood of Christ to enter into hell.

but you have to believe God made me, placing me in a place and time were I could not here of Jesus, (perhaps in a far land that never heard of Jews) and I never heard but go to hell not knowing Jesus. Yet He placed you in a Bible Church with College teachers and were saved, and you still quote teach God is not a respector of persons. Both cannot be taught as truth. There has to be something wrong

We have filled in the Bible with man's teachings

 

[loDebar]

I've never heard these words uttered from anyone with any level of seriousness.

yeah, but it is logical if we can blame another, we are responsible for our own sins

 

[agedman]

you have you rebellious nature , just as Adam has but not from Adam.

Because all are FROM the first Adam, we carry the nature of the first Adam.

A rebellious nature is not self generated. It is part of every person born of human parentage.

 

[loDebar]

Why is man going to a hell prepared for the Devil and his angels?

 

[loDebar]

Because all are FROM the first Adam, we carry the nature of the first Adam.

A rebellious nature is not self generated. It is part of every person born of human parentage.

you had a free will at the spiritual creation, that is where it comes from.

We in our free will make bad decisions

 

[JonShaff]

you had a free will at the spiritual creation, that is where it comes from.

We in our free will make bad decisions

Where do you get your teachings from?

 

[Iconoclast]

you are right,, first born of water , then of spirit to be saved.

Flesh and blood cannot see the kingdom of God. It is spiritual.

Sin is spiritual , not physical, The physical is effected by the spiritual. but your body dos not sin.

You had to be "condemned already" as a spirit, before being a man

what do you think?

I think you cannot just invent things as you please to determine truth.
God has revealed truth by His Spirit. If you have not repented and believed the word of God ...yet...you cannot come to a correct understanding...it is not possible...
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

None of you responses suggest you are welcoming truth as of yet.

you had a free will at the spiritual creation, that is where it comes from.

We in our free will make bad decisions[

That is not taught in the bible

 

[HankD]

I agree, so why are you blaming Adam for our tendacies?

Because that is the source of our nature to commit sin according to Romans 5:12.
No one has to teach a child to sin. Sooner or later a child will commit personal sin.
An apple tree is still an apple tree before it bears fruit.

The physical was cursed through Adam . The spiritual was already condemned or I can blame Adam

I understand what you are saying. If we pre-existed our birth here on earth as spirit beings (and perhaps sinned) then why are we imputed with the sin of Adam.

In my view (The view of most of orthodox Christianity) our sin nature has its inception in Adam and that was imputed to each of us at the time of Adam's sin.
Supposing that we did have a pre-existence - that is an interesting question related to our relationship with Adam.
Personally I believe Romans 5:12 definitely teaches we sinned in Adam. Admittedly There is debate about that but the grammar is the proof thereof.

Are you condemned without knowledge of the law?

Yes. So I am two-fold a sinner.

HankD