Hurrican looters are being shot

[Rolfe]

That's a claim made in total ignorance of the facts.

And this is a comment of someone in denial.

I have heard of it happening. Most instances when these cars are perked outside No Carry places being broken into.

Edit to add: Did a cursory search, and right at the top was the type of thing I was referring to.

Thieves burglarize cars with gun-related decals

CHARLOTTE - Concealed weapons are now legal inside bars and restaurants that serve alcohol, in parks and on school campuses, if they are locked in cars.

Some drivers may be making themselves a target for thieves to break in and go after their guns.

Just a few weeks ago, police in the University Division arrested a group of suspects officers say broke into cars specifically looking for firearms. They looked for various gun-related decals and bumper stickers to pick their targets.

Larry Hyatt, owner of Hyatt Guns said, "They're really advertising to criminal they may have a gun in their car so it may not be the best place to make those statements on the bumper of your car."

Thieves burglarize cars with gun-related decals

 

[JonC]

Wouldn't it be prudent to try to assess whether or not the intruder is a deadly threat before killing them for being inside your house?

Not in Texas (unless the laws have changed since I was there last).

When my sister moved to Dallas my brother-in-law objected to having to take another class for his handgun permit. The officer asked him "if someone breaks in your home and steals a television set, and is running out the door, can you shoot him?". My brother-in-law answered you could not, which apparently was the wrong answer as it was (at least at that time) legal to shoot someone to prevent them from stealing your property if you see the theft as it is happening.

Where I live is different. I knew a woman who shot a burglar who had threatened deadly force and was carrying a shotgun. But she shot him as he was turning and was found guilty of attempted manslaughter because at that moment he was not a threat (received a slap on the wrist but this became an issue with her security clearance).

 

[InTheLight]

Where I live is different. I knew a woman who shot a burglar who had threatened deadly force and was carrying a shotgun. But she shot him as he was turning and was found guilty of attempted manslaughter because at that moment he was not a threat (received a slap on the wrist but this became an issue with her security clearance).

If someone was stealing my TV I guess I'd let them do it instead of shooting them and going down that road of legal hassles and lawsuits.

You gung-ho "shoot the looter" people--what property would you draw the line at? If they were stealing your microwave would you shoot them? Stealing a bicycle? What?

 

[carpro]

And this is a comment of someone in denial.

Hardly. It's a double edged sword.

Home invaders want no part of a gun owner , just as our real law enforcement officer has attested from personal experience.

Burglars will stay away if they think there is even the remotest possibility the armed home owner is home. and since most home burglaries occur between 10 AM and 3 PM , a vehicle in the driveway or a TV running in the house will make it doubly likely the burglar will pass by your house , but they might just try it anyway if they know the owner is not armed.

Burglars will almost never try the home of an armed owner at night under any circumstance.

 

[carpro]

If someone was stealing my TV I guess I'd let them do it instead of shooting them and going down that road of legal hassles and lawsuits.

Don't have to worry so much about that in Texas.

 

[JonC]

If someone was stealing my TV I guess I'd let them do it instead of shooting them and going down that road of legal hassles and lawsuits.

You gung-ho "shoot the looter" people--what property would you draw the line at? If they were stealing your microwave would you shoot them? Stealing a bicycle? What?

What do you mean by "you gung-ho 'shoot the looter' people"? (Are you speaking of me, or have you departed from replying specifically to my post?)

 

[Rolfe]

Burglars will almost never try the home of an armed owner at night under any circumstance.

Why do you presume that the owner must be home?

 

[InTheLight]

What do you mean by "you gung-ho 'shoot the looter' people"? (Are you speaking of me, or have you departed from replying specifically to my post?)

Not speaking of you; I meant others.

 

[TCassidy]

Wouldn't it be prudent to try to assess whether or not the intruder is a deadly threat before killing them for being inside your house?

What part of "a person poses a deadly threat" wasn't clear?

Well, yes, if you know the looter has a weapon that changes everything.

Yes, that is what "a person poses a deadly threat" means.

I would like to think that looters are not armed and would gladly move on to another house if threatened with deadly force.

You may like to think it, but that does not make it so. Crime stats tell us that a significant number of home invasions involve the use of weapons.

Also, I would not want the memory of shooting a person in my home to follow me around the rest of my life.

Would it be better to have the memory of the criminals raping and murdering your wife? Or daughter? Or your son?

I would rather live with the memory of killing a vicious criminal than live with the memory of my loved one(s) being slaughtered. But that's just me. Each to his own.

 

[TCassidy]

Why do you presume that the owner must be home?

If the owner/resident is not home the intruder does not pose a deadly threat to the owner/resident, does he.

 

[TCassidy]

Tom - please don't take me out of context.

I wasn't aware that I had.

 

[TCassidy]

My brother-in-law answered you could not, which apparently was the wrong answer as it was (at least at that time) legal to shoot someone to prevent them from stealing your property if you see the theft as it is happening.

That is not entirely accurate. In Texas the presumption rests with the resident if the property is in the possession of the criminal, and it is during a period of darkness.

In other words, he has to be carrying the property and it has to be at night. If it is daylight you cannot use deadly force to stop the theft. You also may not use deadly force to stop a theft from an out-building, such as a garage. It must be the domicile of the resident.

Where I live is different. I knew a woman who shot a burglar who had threatened deadly force and was carrying a shotgun. But she shot him as he was turning and was found guilty of attempted manslaughter because at that moment he was not a threat (received a slap on the wrist but this became an issue with her security clearance).

The same applies in most jurisdictions. Once the threat of deadly force ends, such as the criminal running away, deadly force is no longer authorized. However, in Texas, if he is still inside your house the presumption remains that he intends severe bodily harm so deadly force is still allowed.

 

[Rolfe]

If the owner/resident is not home the intruder does not pose a deadly threat to the owner/resident, does he.

True. My point strayed a bit from personal deadly threat to theft of one's firearms. I should have clarified a bit.

 

[TCassidy]

My point strayed a bit from personal deadly threat to theft of one's firearms.

Ah. Okay. I see now. I only have one firearm that is not in my firearm safe (5 ft high by 3 feet wide by 18 inches deep and weighs about a ton) and that is either in my holster if I am home or out of the house, or in a hidden drawer in my nightstand if I am in bed.

 

[InTheLight]

What part of "a person poses a deadly threat" wasn't clear?

You're assuming from the get-go that the intruder is a deadly threat. What if the intruder is a teenager that is unarmed? Easily scared off with a gun pointing at him.

Yes, that is what "a person poses a deadly threat" means.

Indeed. I still don't believe that looters, which is typically a spontaneous crime of opportunity, come armed ready to shoot someone because they want your Sony Playstation.

You may like to think it, but that does not make it so. Crime stats tell us that a significant number of home invasions involve the use of weapons.

Topic is looting after a hurricane, not planned home invasion of a specific residence.

Would it be better to have the memory of the criminals raping and murdering your wife? Or daughter? Or your son?

Is that what looters do? Hey, I got my TV, now I'm going to get some of these women here, too? And what's a little murder as long as I'm at it?

I would rather live with the memory of killing a vicious criminal than live with the memory of my loved one(s) being slaughtered. But that's just me. Each to his own.

So now looters are "vicious criminals"?

 

[InTheLight]

Ah. Okay. I see now. I only have one firearm that is not in my firearm safe (5 ft high by 3 feet wide by 18 inches deep and weighs about a ton) and that is either in my holster if I am home or out of the house, or in a hidden drawer in my nightstand if I am in bed.

So let's see...In the space of a couple of days Tom has posted his picture, told us where he lives, told us about the guns in his house, told us he carries one gun outside his gun safe. Any other information you want to volunteer?

 

[TCassidy]

Tom has posted his picture

Yes. A 30 year old picture. But, of course, anyone with any perception at all can just look to the left and see my avatar that has been there for years and years.

told us where he lives

Yes, I live in the far south of Texas. Along with 3 million other people. Good luck finding my house!

told us about the guns in his house

Yes. Secured in a huge safe. Oh, and I didn't mention it, but the safe is tamper alarmed, both locally and central station. Not to mention my two friends. Rocky and Brutus. Both guard/attack trained Rottweilers. Good luck getting past them.

told us he carries one gun outside his gun safe

Yep. Be prepared. I learned that about 65 years ago in the Boy Scouts.

Any other information you want to volunteer?

What else do you need to continue stalking me?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Displaying bodies doesn't seem normal to me.

Actually, it used to be very common.

 

[TCassidy]

You're assuming from the get-go that the intruder is a deadly threat.

No. But that is what "a person poses a deadly threat" means. The person "poses a deadly thread."

What if the intruder is a teenager that is unarmed?

Then they may not pose a deadly threat, although a teenager could pose a deadly threat to an elderly and infirm senior due to disparity of age, health, strength, etc.

Indeed. I still don't believe that looters, which is typically a spontaneous crime of opportunity, come armed ready to shoot someone because they want your Sony Playstation.

Tell that to the 265,000 victims of serious injury or death last year as a result of home invasion robbery.

Topic is looting after a hurricane

No, the topic is shooting looters.

Is that what looters do?

Ask the victims.

So now looters are "vicious criminals"?

Yes, people who invade the homes of other's do bodily harm to the residents, rape and murder the helpless are vicious criminals.

I suppose you think such criminals are "poor innocent victims of an unjust society?"

 

[InTheLight]

No one has answered my questions--Would you shoot a looter for taking your microwave? Your bicycle? A TV?