Is Creation BY or THROUGH Jesus Christ?

[agedman]

For the casual reader.

I would like to remind you:

The Scriptures state God is Spirit, that the Word of God became flesh, and a comforter indwells believers.

All three are One, yet distinctly separate.

Humankind have no example to demonstrate this, and the trinity (although seen in action in the Scriptures) is to be taken as fact and not struggled over in order to make sense.

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[SavedByGrace]

“Theos” is God.
“Abba” is Father.

Abba is only occasionally used in comparison to Theos.

The trinity agreed together and the Son was birthed. The trinity continued even when the Son took on human covering.

Note: I understand and have taught concerning the “eternal sonship;” however, the OT presentations of the Lord do not readily lend themselves to a Father Son relationship.

I will not strive for or against the thinking.

Is The Eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ Biblical? Part 2

 

[SavedByGrace]

For the casual reader.

I would like to remind you:

The Scriptures state God is Spirit, that the Word of God became flesh, and a comforter indwells believers.

All three are One, yet distinctly separate.

Humankind have no example to demonstrate this, and the trinity (although seen in action in the Scriptures) is to be taken as fact and not struggled over in order to make sense.

You are welcome to contact any moderator or better an administrator for further information you may desire.

the Three Persons in the Trinity/Godhead, are not "separate", but "distinct", as they are all equally God in nature.

 

[JesusFan]

Nothing was "imposed" on Jesus by the Father, as Paul says in Philippians 2:7, "ἀλλὰ ἑαυτὸν ἐκένωσεν" (Jesus emptied Himself), or as Weymouth rightly says in his NT, "He stripped Himself of His glory"

The Father sent his Son as the Messiah, and the Son also agreed fully

 

[JesusFan]

Is The Eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ Biblical? Part 2

Before the Incarnation, was not the Lord Jesus actually the eternal Logos/word of the father ?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Before the Incarnation, was not the Lord Jesus actually the eternal Logos/word of the father ?

WITH the Father

 

[JesusFan]

WITH the Father

Both of the father and with the father

 

[SavedByGrace]

Both of the father and with the father

No

 

[JesusFan]

No

Bible does state only begotten , full of glory and grace

 

[SavedByGrace]

Bible does state only begotten , full of glory and grace

Only begotten is WRONG the Greek μονογενής literally means one of a kind or unique. Nothing about any begetting

 

[37818]

All three are One,

Being the one and the same God.

yet distinctly separate.

Being distinctly three Persons.

 

[Van]

Van, this verse refers to the One God, not the Father.

Indeed, the Lord Jesus Christ humbled Himself, the Father did not humble Him.

John 5:23 says the Father sent Him.

 

[JesusFan]

Only begotten is WRONG the Greek μονογενής literally means one of a kind or unique. Nothing about any begetting

Good read here
The Only Begotten God - Credo Magazine

 

[37818]

Good read here
The Only Begotten God - Credo Magazine

God is not begotten. And the Word is the sole maker, John 1:3, Colossians 1:16-18. Not a light from light, but the true Light and Creator per John 1:9-10.

 

[JesusFan]

God is not begotten. And the Word is the sole maker, John 1:3, Colossians 1:16-18. Not a light from light, but the true Light and Creator per John 1:9-10.

he was the eternal word of the father

 

[37818]

he was the eternal word of the father

He is the Word with God the Father, not begotten nor made.
The false creed does not say that, nor that the Son is Creator.

 

[percho]

Only begotten is WRONG the Greek μονογενής literally means one of a kind or unique. Nothing about any begetting

τὸν υἱὸν αὐτοῦ τὸν μονογενῆ

The unique, what?

 

[percho]

Is the concept of the word, Son, relative to anything, in the word of God, without, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.

How, flesh?

 

[percho]

Only begotten? From μόνος (G3441) and γίνομαι (G1096)

 

[agedman]

John 5:23 says the Father sent Him.

Yes it does, but that is NOT the verse that was in question.

In this case, the word is not Theos, or Abba, but Pater. It is used as any father who is the life giver or progenitor. It follows the thinking of the owner of the field and sent the servants who were killed by the workers, and finally the owner send his own son, whom they also kill.

The son had no less authority than the owner because the owner is the progenitor, or life giver as well as the son. This is also born out in that passage.