People reading this had better be aware of something else: fruits of the spirit cannot be counterfeited; tongues can and are.
Are you saying people can not fake Love, Joy, Peace etc.? I have seen many people pretend to be joyous but it was a coverup of unhappiness..I have seen people pretend to love with all the outward signs of it being true, but it was far from it. People can not counterfeit something that is not real to start with..think about that!
I believe all the gifts are available today, but NONE of them are given based on a supposed HS baptism that has to be sought after conversion. God gives them according to His will to every believer, just as he baptizes every believer in the HS at the time when they come to faith in Christ.
Too many scriptures disprove this! It is seperate...but can be all at once.
Again..
Jesus was baptized in water, the Holy Spirit descended on Him. Was this done to seal Jesus with the Holy Spirit as a guarantee of His salvation (as in Ephesians 1:13-14)? Obviously not!
"Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" (Luke 11:11-13)
The key to understanding this passage is that Jesus gives examples of a son asking his father for a gift, and then He says that "your Father" will give the Holy Spirit to those who ask. In other words, if you are a Christian, a child of God, then you can ask your Father for the Holy Spirit. First you must be saved (at which point God becomes your heavenly Father - see John 1:12-13, Galatians 3:26, and 4:4-7), then you can ask for the Holy Spirit. But remember, when we become saved we automatically receive the indwelling Holy Spirit, we don't have to ask for Him! Yet Jesus says that God will give the gift of the Holy Spirit to those who ask for it. This gift, therefore, is not salvation!
Since only Christians have been adopted as children of God (Ephesians 1:4-5), only Christians can ask our heavenly Father for the gift of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. This demonstrates that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is only available to us after salvation.
In Hebrews 6:1-2 it is more likely that new Christians received instructions about the two baptisms which they had not yet received. This would indicate that just like water baptism, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is only available to us after salvation.
Remember, Paul taught that we are automatically sealed with the Holy Spirit when we believe. Yet in Acts 19:1-6, Paul asked these disciples if they had received the Holy Spirit
when they believed. He wasn't asking if they had been sealed with the indwelling Holy Spirit at salvation because it was Paul himself who taught that everyone is automatically sealed with the Holy Spirit when they believe. Paul was asking these disciples something else.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a separate event from salvation, and that its purpose is to empower a person who is already saved.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit is only available to us after we have received salvation. THis could happen at the same time, yet separate..one is within and one is upon.