Justified By Works

[SavedByGrace]

Your understanding of what James is teaching us is!

But you have not shown what I have said to be wrong

 

[Yeshua1]

Wow. MB! Spot on! My thoughts exactly! Maybe we can get some of these Reformed robots like @AustinC, @Iconoclast, @Reformed, @Reformed1689, to explain it.

You mean those of us who hold to pauline Justification here?

 

[SavedByGrace]

Its called pauline Justification!

Scripture verse???

 

[George Antonios]

Was a Hebrew, Genesis 14:13. (2 Corinthians 11:22).

So Hebrew = Jew, eh?
Let me ask you this then: 1) why was Abram called a Hebrew? 2) Who was the first Jew?

 

[Yeshua1]

If He saves through both where do you get the alone idea. It takes the Lord first of all. It takes faith and trust. It also takes the gospel and Love if I sat hear and thought about it, I could come with a lot more. being saved by any thing alone is just plain ignorant of Gods word.
MB

So you deny Pauline justification also?

 

[Yeshua1]

But you have not shown what I have said to be wrong

You equate salvation being a mixture of grace and works, another Gospel!

 

[Yeshua1]

Scripture verse???

Romans and Galatians!

 

[MB]

So you deny Pauline justification also?

So where did I say I believe Paul Justifies.

Paul was an apostle not Jesus Christ. To be blunt Paul does not save. I have great respect for Paul as an apostle yet still he had no power to save. He was just a preacher.
MB

 

[kyredneck]

So you deny pauline Justification?

I agree absolutely with every one of them:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2
24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Ro 3
1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Ro 5
33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God`s elect? It is God that justifieth; Ro 8

 

[Mikey]

So where did I say I believe Paul Justifies.

Paul was an apostle not Jesus Christ. To be blunt Paul does not save. I have great respect for Paul as an apostle yet still he had no power to save. He was just a preacher.
MB

what Paul wrote in scripture is God breathed. They are not just "letters written by a preacher"

 

[kyredneck]

Notice that both faith and atoning sacrifice justify us and save us.

Glory hallelujah! You've dropped that unscriptural notion of justification by faith alone.

 

[37818]

what about James 2:25, is there a contradiction?

James 2:25, ". . . Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?"No. It is a countradiction to those who are lost, like in Matthew 7:21-23. And in 2 Corinthians 4:3-4.

 

[Mikey]

Glory hallelujah! You've dropped that unscriptural notion of justification by faith alone.

you're mixing catagories.

 

[SavedByGrace]

You mean those of us who hold to pauline Justification here?

What about that SINGLE VERSE???

 

[SavedByGrace]

what Paul wrote in scripture is God breathed. They are not just "letters written by a preacher"

VERSE???

 

[SavedByGrace]

you're mixing catagories.

ONE verse that says ALONE!!!

 

[Mikey]

ONE verse that says ALONE!!!

don't need it to say alone to mean alone.

 

[Mikey]

VERSE???

you're denying that Romans, Ephesians etc aren't God breathed?

 

[SavedByGrace]

don't need it to say alone to mean alone.

it MUST because it is a VERY IMPORTANT Doctrine! Sure there would be ONE VERSE that teaches this? Or is Reformed teaching on CONJECTURE???

 

[SavedByGrace]

you're denying that Romans, Ephesians etc aren't God breathed?

looking for that God-breathed VERSE???