PRE-TRIB? MID-TRIB?

[George Antonios]

I was raised up strong Dispy, held to pretrib and second coming view, but once moved towards holding to Covenant theology. still kept premil view, but had to let pretrib rapture go!

There is more than one rapture.

 

[Yeshua1]

Both pre-trib and mid-or-post-trib are true because there is more than one rapture.
That's the truth that solves it all.

Except that the same wording is used for both Rapture and Second Coming as same event!

 

[George Antonios]

Except that the same wording is used for both Rapture and Second Coming as same event!

There.is.more.than.one.rapture.

 

[Yeshua1]

There is more than one rapture.

But the Rapture and second coming seem to be described as being same event though.

 

[Yeshua1]

There.is.more.than.one.rapture.

Scripture proof?

 

[George Antonios]

Scripture proof?

Not directly about raptures but about resurrections, nevertheless, it mentions them:

 

[Alan Gross]

I was raised up strong Dispy, held to pretrib and second coming view, but once moved towards holding to Covenant theology. still kept premil view, but had to let pretrib rapture go!

Let it all go.

How? Why?

To have the Best Vantage Point that is: LEAST DEPENDANT of 'the flesh'.

I'm not kidding.

'THE FLESH' ain't gettin' it, as far as Parables, Prophecy,
and those types of figurative literature.

( Bullinger lists 216 different 'figures of speech' (?)
https://www.academia.edu/36826104/FIGURES_OF_SPEECH_USED_IN_THE_BIBLE_Bullinger

 

[Yeshua1]

Not directly about raptures but about resurrections, nevertheless, it mentions them:

2 resurrections, the lost and the saved!

 

[George Antonios]

Let it all go.

How? Why?

To have the Best Vantage Point that is: LEAST DEPENDANT of 'the flesh'.

I'm not kidding.

'THE FLESH' ain't gettin' it, as far as Parables, Prophecy,
and those type of figurative literature.

( Bullenger lists 216 different 'figures of speech')

Yeah, just completely untether from the scriptures, pull up the anchor from the literal bedrock and free your Hindu mind.
Deconstruct the literal verses and reframe them to mean whatever you wish in your own post-modern way.
Christ didn't literally die on the cross.
Christ didn't literally rise from the dead.
Christ isn't literally coming back again.
Those are all platonic ideals man, bruh!
The Catholic Church was right bruh!

 

[George Antonios]

2 resurrections, the lost and the saved!

You just answer and slap exclamation points because you already know.

 

[Alan Gross]

Yeah, just completely untether from the scriptures, pull up the anchor from the literal bedrock and free your Hindu mind.
Deconstruct the literal verses and reframe them to mean whatever you wish in your own post-modern way.
Christ didn't literally die on the cross.
Christ didn't literally rise from the dead.
Christ isn't literally coming back again.
Those are all platonic ideals man, bruh!
The Catholic Church was right bruh!

The Best Vantage Point that is: LEAST DEPENDANT of 'the flesh'.

Not just pure flesh.

 

[Yeshua1]

You just answer and slap exclamation points because you already know.

John stated 2 resurrections in Revelation, correct?

 

[AustinC]

No, it is not. It is about eschatology but it contradicts dispensationalism.

It's still dispensationalism. The ages are just adjusted so the rapture comes at the end of the tribulation and then Jesus returns.
It's not your version, but it is solidly dispensationalism.

 

[Oseas3]

These Scriptures Teach The Second Coming of Jesus, in Final Judgment, as Imminent.

Except for the Matthew 24 Scripture which describes, "when shall these things be", i.e., the destruction of the Temple and not one stone left on another.

With that, I have never seen anything relating to anything other than The Second Coming of Jesus, in Final Judgment, as Imminent.

I do not know of any evidence that The Second Coming of Jesus, in Final Judgment, is NOT Imminent and NOT The End of this World, with no more opportunity for anyone to be Saved, forever,

....and I do not know of any evidence that The Second Coming of Jesus, in Final Judgment, is NOT Imminent and NOT The End of this World, with no more opportunity for anyone to be Saved, forever.

What do Scriptures say? Let's see. In my understanding, or rather, in my vision, the evidence that there is no more opportunity for salvation or being saved is the excessively demonic or satanic environment existing on earth in the last days, or more precisely in the last seven years of the current Dispensation of Grace; In such a way that even JESUS, yes, JESUS himself, stated that " except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be SAVED: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened". Mat.24:v.22. The verse 21 says: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Terrible, very terrible.

That said, can you imagine how satanic will be the environment and the "modus vivend" in the earth due the great tribulation, and what is worse, with the presence of the own Satan incarnated, the son of perdition, a former cherub, in ruling the world as a messiah? In fact, from the midle to the end of the last week, he will be the ruler of Antichrist's Empire, "Who will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God? Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might BE SAVED. 2The. 2

Furthermore, the fullness of Gentiles has already arrived.

And what about Israel, once Satan will be enthroned as messiah in Jerusalem in this time to come so soon, by the way, an esoteric and kabbalist and spiritist false messiah, making great signs and wonders of lie? So that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and will deceive them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he has power to do in the sight of the Beast of sea.(the Pope) Revelation 13:v.13-14.

That said, what we can know about Israel in the last seven years of the currente Dispensation, is written in Revelation 7:1-4:

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes(12) of the children of Israel.

Are you prepared? if not, get ready.

My petition is: May our LORD God bless and keep us, and give us His protection. Amen.

 

[Alan Gross]

What do Scriptures say? Let's see. In my understanding, or rather, in my vision, the evidence that there is no more opportunity for salvation or being saved is the excessively demonic or satanic environment existing on earth in the last days, or more precisely in the last seven years of the current Dispensation of Grace; In such a way that even JESUS, yes, JESUS himself, stated that " except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be SAVED: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened". Mat.24:v.22. The verse 21 says: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Terrible, very terrible.

That said, can you imagine how satanic will be the environment and the "modus vivend" in the earth due the great tribulation, and what is worse, with the presence of the own Satan incarnated, the son of perdition, a former cherub, in ruling the world as a messiah? In fact, from the midle to the end of the last week, he will be the ruler of Antichrist's Empire, "Who will oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God will sit in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God? Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might BE SAVED. 2The. 2

Furthermore, the fullness of Gentiles has already arrived.

And what about Israel, once Satan will be enthroned as messiah in Jerusalem in this time to come so soon, by the way, an esoteric and kabbalist and spiritist false messiah, making great signs and wonders of lie? So that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, and will deceive them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he has power to do in the sight of the Beast of sea.(the Pope) Revelation 13:v.13-14.

That said, what we can know about Israel in the last seven years of the currente Dispensation, is written in Revelation 7:1-4:

1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes(12) of the children of Israel.

Are you prepared? if not, get ready.

My petition is: May our LORD God bless and keep us, and give us His protection. Amen.

This is Matthew 24:21,22 are referring to the days of tribulation, during the Abomination of Desolation.

" except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be SAVED: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened". Mat.24:v.22. The verse 21 says: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Terrible, very terrible.

There is no 'mill', or 'trib' in the other verses. Revelation 13:v.13-14 depict the last Days and Judgment when Jesus Returns and everything is over, except The Consummation, as well as 2 Thess. 2, and Revelation 7:1-4.

Any second they could happen, in finality, just as they are happening, now, in principle.

Revelation 13 does not come after Revelation 7. They depict the same event(s).

 

[Oseas3]

Both pre-trib and mid-or-post-trib are true because there is more than one rapture.
That's the truth that solves it all.

What really will happen is a War, yeah, a War against three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. Revelation 16:v.13-16

Armageddom is a contraction of three words: (Air(heaven) + Magog + Eddon(red)

JESUS warned His people through the former sealed book of Revelation 16:v.15 , saying: 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. This will happen after the battle of Armagedddon, it will not be a conventional War, it will be against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS whose satanic mouths will be working through Antichrist's Empire, a MONSTRUOUS religious system with SEVEN HEADS, and TGNE HORNS, and a TERRIBLE TAIL, as is comented above.

Are you ready? If not, get ready.

 

[Oseas3]

There is only one rapture in post-trib so that contradicts your statement.

You are right.

The seventh trumpet is only one, not two. Revelation 11:v.14-15 (by the way, the same chapter of two witnesses)

Verse 14 reveals: 14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


And who will sound the seventh trump? Who answer this question is the Word of God - the Word is God - and is written in 1Thessalonians 4:v.16 combined with Daniel 12:v.1-3.

 

[George Antonios]

What really will happen is a War, yeah, a War against three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. Revelation 16:v.13-16

Armageddom is a contraction of three words: (Air(heaven) + Magog + Eddon(red)

JESUS warned His people through the former sealed book of Revelation 16:v.15 , saying: 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. This will happen after the battle of Armagedddon, it will not be a conventional War, it will be against THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS whose satanic mouths will be working through Antichrist's Empire, a MONSTRUOUS religious system with SEVEN HEADS, and TGNE HORNS, and a TERRIBLE TAIL, as is comented above.

Are you ready? If not, get ready.

I have no idea how that connects to what I said. By the way, those colours are hard to read especially for people on mobile devices. Use sparingly. They are hard on the eyes.

 

[graciecat]

To all them which believes in suppositions like "be caught Pre-trib" or "Mid-tribe", get ready. The abomination of desolation is on the way just ahead (Daniel 9:v.27-last week), and will manifest itself very soon, so ...
Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to PUNISH the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. Isaiah 26:v.20

Matthew 24:v.7-8
7 For nation shall rise against nation(this will fulfil LITERALLY), and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines (will be strong in whole earth), and pestilences (pestilences is already running), and earthquakes, in divers places.(these earthquakes will be specifics for to happen from now on, in this time of the END, and in divers places)
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

2Thessalonians 1:v.7-12
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2Peter 3:v.9-14
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the Day of the Lord (the seventh and last Day. This Day arrived) will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the WORKS that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED(yeah, DISSOLVED), what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens (the first and second heavens) being on fire shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. Amen

Good effort n posting this one, thank you!

 

[Oseas3]

It's generally not a good idea to try connect current events to Bible prophesy. Do so mostly creates false teaching. It's better to wake up and seek to fulfill the Great Commission. Let today be today and don't worry about tomorrow.

Brother, please, God is in control of history, nothing, but nothing, random happens.

That said, here goes what says the Word of God for your meditation: Isaiah 40:v.13-23

13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him?

14 With whom took he counsel, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of Judgment, and taught him knowledge, and shewed to him the way of understanding?

15 Behold, the nations are as a drop of a bucket, and are counted as the small dust of the balance: behold, he taketh up the isles as a very little thing.

16 And Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, nor the beasts thereof sufficient for a burnt offering.

17 All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.

18 To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?

21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?

22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.


The TRUMPET shall sound.