Sigh does the bible use the horses in the exact same way anywhere else?
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Sigh does the bible use the horses in the exact same way anywhere else?
All right students... Now for a lesson on the seven churches from one who knows about them the best....
1. Study - Lesson one - No one can emphatically study Revelation and come to the same conclusions
2. Jesus Christ - Appears before John with seven stars in his hand and in the midst of seven golden candlesticks.
The seven churches
1. Ephesus - Began with the book of Acts
2. Smyrna - Began with Nero. Foxes lists the persecutions as ten
3. Pergamos - Began when Constantine liberated the Roman Empire
4. Thyatira - Began with Charlemange - The Roman Catholic Church
5. Sardis - Began with Martin Luther
6. Philadelphia - Began with the ana-Baptists - heavily persecuted during the 16th century and into the 17th by both Magisterial Protestants and Roman Catholics. John Bunyan is also Philadelphian and spent a good bit of his life in prison due to his resistance to the state run church.
7. Laodicea - I find traces of this church as early as DL Moody in the 1800's, Who angered the English with rumors of profits made from hymn book sales. DL Moody also was the first in my readings of history to buy a mansion with ministry proceeds.
Now each church had its issues and virtues. And I am not promoting one over the other. When it is all said and done one will be able to look back and see what arose from the times...
1. Apostolic church - Messianic
2. Martyred church - Gentile church beginning with the Apostle Paul.
3. Orthodox church - Orthodox - A Pygros is a tower - Needed in the dark ages. A barbaric time.
4. Catholic church - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate
5. Protestant church - A sardius is a gem - Elegant yet hard. Had a name but little in spirituality.
6. Revived church - The great awakening.
7. Materialistic church - Rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing?
If it were not for dispensationalism we would all be forced to worship in some state approved church!
The Seven Stars - We are all in one of these clusters held in the right hAnd of Christ!
The Seven Seals - Each church has its place within the Lambs Book of Life, sealed with seven seals.
The Apostle Paul began the Smyrnaen church, which has ten persecutions against her. Persecution ten days (from the Foxes book of Martyrs)...
67 AD Nero This age begins with Nero setting fire to Rome, then blaming the Christians.
81 AD Domitian Declaration that no Christian should be exempt from punishment, Timothy died in 97 AD.
108 AD Trajan-Adrian Severe persecution against Christians from 108 to 138 AD during the time of Ignatius.
162 AD Marcos Aurelius Marcos Aurelius, commendable in study of philosophy, sharp and fierce towards Christians.
192 AD Severus This persecution was carried out by the prejudice of the people and extended into Africa.
235 AD Maximus Numberless Christians were slain without trial and burned indiscriminately in heaps.
249 AD Decius Began because of the amazing increase in Christianity with the heathen temples forsaken.
257 AD Valerian The martyrs that were tortured and fell during this persecution were innumerable.
274 AD Aurelian A brief persecution that ended with the emperors assassination.
303 AD Diocletian The last persecution ended with Constantine's triumph against Rome in 313 AD.
Constantine - Began the Pergameon church (pergos is a tower in the Greek)
Charlemagne - Began the Thyatirean church - And really gave Jezebel a breath of fresh air
Martin Luther - Began the Sardisean church - Which at that time the Baptist church was in her infancy.
John Wesley - Continued the Philadelphian church - Too bad they could not keep the revival going
DL Moody - Began the Laodicean church - As he was the first to make money off Christianity, live in a mansion, and put very little weight in church doctrine.
1. The Seven Candlesticks - Seven church ages
2. Seven Stars - The saved Christians within the seven churches... All in the right hand of Christ Jesus
3. The Seven Seals - Sealing the Lambs Book of Life
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4
If this is not the lambs book of life sealing the seven church ages then why all the ado?
I believe we are close now to the rapture of the church. I believe of all the predictions Isaac Newton was the closest...
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. Daniel 12:7
From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:
"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton
As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming may be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christs coming the date of the rapture may be 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes
"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton
I believe once the lambs book of life is full the rapture will occur, and as a believer in the doctrine of imminence, it can happen anytime between now and 2060.
The Four Horseman - As four is the number of the earth so these are four earthy regimes such as democracy, communism, Islam, and the kingdom of the Antichrist, and unrelated to the church in that they do not make up any particular church congregation.
Since my going into much detail on this "stars are angels" subject leads further away from the opening post by robycop, I started a thread specific to the subject:
Stars are Angels
Stars are Angels
You are in confusion, and making confusion here.
Who "ACTUALLY will not recognize any god but himself" is not the Beast from the sea, absolutely, (Revelation 13:v.1), but the another Beast like a lamb - a false lamb, a false messiah, an IMPOSTER, that has TWO HORNS only (Revelation 13:v.11-18), and he will come up out of the earth - a dry land - that is Israel - this Beast is a Jewish MAN, the MAN of sin and son of perdition, actually a former Cherub, the own Satan incarnarted. The Apostle Paul prophesied about this Beast, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
The Beast from the sea is the ruler and guide of the ANCIENT religion that developed within the universal Roman Empire of the Caesars, and first use the term "Catholic Church", literally meaning "Universal Church", and now is known Roman Catholic Church, the body of Satan in the Earth in these last two thousand years or two Days in accord 2Peter 3:v.8. This mystical Beast through its satanic church - the Roman Catholic Church - uses the Bible to deceive the people as if they were from God (Vicar, Son of God or Vicarius Filii Dei) and his representatives here on earth, when in fact they are the body of the Devil with its 7 heads, 10 horns, and 7 crowns on the 7 heads. (Revelation 12: v.3).
The "Catholic Church" was founded by the spirit of Antichrist, by the spirit of the Devil, the Enemy of the true Church of the Lord, the true Christians or true believers in Christ. This mystical Beast through its satanic church - the Roman Catholic Church - uses the Bible to deceive the people as if they were from God and his representatives here on earth, when in fact they are the body of the Devil with its 7 heads, 10 horns, and 7 crowns on the 7 heads. (Revelation 12: v.3).
You wrote:
"He will not be RC or of any other denom"ination.
Unfortunately you are wrong. The FIRST Beast (the Papacy and the Great Whore - the Roman Catholic Church) has his headquarter in the Vatican City, Rome - Italy, and developed themeselves within the Universal Roman Empire of the Caesars.
Oh no, the Apostle Paul was not speaking of the angels "who joined Satan in the rebellion" of Eden, absolutely.
Paul was speaking of the same angels Jude referred, saying: These, likewise also those angels, these filthy dreamers or with their visions defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. These are filthy spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; WANDERING STARS, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
No, I'm NOT wrong - YOU are, as Scripture proves.
2 Thess.2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(The KJV, which I use very little, reads "THAT man of sin", as does the YLT.)
So we see the beast will be ONE MAN, not a whole line of men, as the papacy is.
And he won't be a Jew. He will be of ROMAN descent, which means he could come from almost anywhere as there are descendants of Romans all over the world.
As Daniel, Paul, & Rev. 13 all said, he won't recognize any god but himself. And he will be a HUMAN, although indwelt by Satan.
Remember, "angel" means MESSENGER. For example the "angels" of the 7 churches of Revelation were their pastors or elders, not supernatural beings. So, id the angels we are to judge aren't the ones that fell with Satan, they're likely false human preachers, such are abounding today. (And have been, ever since Jesus brought the Gospel.)
1. The Seven Candlesticks - Seven church ages
2. Seven Stars - The saved Christians within the seven churches... All in the right hand of Christ Jesus
3. The Seven Seals - Sealing the Lambs Book of Life
And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4
If this is not the lambs book of life sealing the seven church ages then why all the ado?
I believe we are close now to the rapture of the church. I believe of all the predictions Isaac Newton was the closest...
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. Daniel 12:7
From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:
"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton
As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming may be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christs coming the date of the rapture may be 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes
"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton
I believe once the lambs book of life is full the rapture will occur, and as a believer in the doctrine of imminence, it can happen anytime between now and 2060.
The "7 church ages" stuff is phony, as history proves.
And the rapture won't occur til the "beast" comes to power, which could be shortly, or not-so-shortly.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass... - Revelation 1:1
If I could open your eyes to the mystery of the seven churches you would have the eyesalve applied to see what must shortly come to pass...
Alofa Atu
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Revelation 6 & 8 – The Seven Seals
Lion (Jesus) - “valiant” 2 Samuel 17:10; “bold” Proverbs 28:1; “strongest” Proverbs 30:30; Hosea 5:14-15, 13:4-7; “roar – voice of God” Amos 3:7-8; Revelation 10:3 (Divinity; Kingly); “Judah – Lion” Genesis 49:9; “Israel” Genesis 32:28; Numbers 24:8-9; Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1; Hebrews 2:13; Isaiah 8:16,18; Luke 11:22; John 16:33; Romans 12:21; Hebrews 3:6 (Jeremiah 31:31,33; Hebrews 8:8,10); Revelation 3:21.
Root of David (Jesus) – Revelation 5:5, 22:16; Isaiah 11:1,10; Jeremiah 23:5-6; Romans 1:3, 15:12 (Humanity, Kingly).
Lamb (Jesus) – Revelation 5:6; Genesis 3:15,21; Revelation 13:8, 21:14; John 1:29,36 (Sacrificial, Love) - “worthy” (worship) Revelation 5:12.
Seven Seals - “Who wrote the book/scroll, sealed?”, “Who sealed it?”, “Where is it first seen?”, “Which hand?”, “Why is that important?” (Psalms 16:11), “What is the significance of the Seven Seals?” (More seals, more protection, of more value, etc), “What is in it?”, “Who is the only one able to open and look (read) it?” - Please take note that no man (person) on earth (alive), under the earth (dead and in the grave), or in heaven (alive, Enoch, Elijah, Moses), nor any angel, group of angels, or created being in heaven (4 Beasts/Living Creatures, not all the council of the 24 Elders (leaders of unfallen worlds)), or all creation together in Heaven and in earth could open that book/scroll, but only One equal with the Father, who could enter into all the counsels of God the Father could, for what created being can by searching find out the wisdom of God? What being could ever take by force, cunning, learning, etc from the hand of God except it be given to them? - John 10:29; Romans 11:34; 1 Corinthians 2:16; Job 9:10,12; Ecclesiastes 8:4; Daniel 4:35; Matthew 21:23-27; Mark 11:27-33; Luke 20:1-8; John 2:18. Please notice John's intense interest at what was in the sealed book/scroll, as well as all of Heaven? Why then does mortal mankind, not also have such interest in that which is in the right hand of God? Why are we so focused upon the things of this earth?
“hath prevailed” - Revelation 5:5; “my vows” - Psalms 116:14,18; “God Heard” - Psalms 61:5; Luke 11:22; John 16:33; Romans 12:21; Revelation 3:21.
“Come and see” - Psalms 66:5 (Psalms 66:1-20); John 1:35-39,45-46 (When Jesus said, “Come and see”, it was in regards to the question, “Where dwellest thou?”, and thus Jesus responded by saying, Come and see how/where I live, where/how I dwell/live, my life, the way, truth and life); Psalms 46:8 (“wonderful/terrible works of the Lord”) - Psalms 111:2, 126:1-3; Numbers 23:23; Psalms 66:3, 99:3; Ezekiel 1:8 (4 Creatures).
“crown” (victory) – John 16:33; Revelation 3:21 – Gethsemane & Calvary – Psalms 98:1-3 (Psalms 98:1-9); Colossians 2:6-15 (Paul is citing from Psalms 98:1-3); Revelation 12:7-12; Romans 5:5-11; Psalms 24:1-10; Romans 1:8, 16:19; Colossians 1:23 (conquering); see also Psalms 68:18-25; Ephesians 4:8; Isaiah 26:19.
Side note – Read Psalms 21,22,23,24 for the Life, Crucifixion, Death, Burial, Resurrection and Ascension of Jesus Christ.
Four Beasts (Living Creatures) – (each of the four Beasts are associated with one of the first four Seals) (1st Lion face) (2nd Calf face) (3rd Man face) (4th Eagle face); Revelation 4:7, see also Ezekiel 1:10, 10:14 in connection with Zechariah 6:1-5, 4:6 (the Holy Ghost working through angels/men), see also the notes on the 4 Beasts in Revelation 4 & 5; Ezekiel, etc.
Connect the first four Seals to the first four Churches and to the first four Trumpets. They are 3 parallel branches on the Candlestick structure of Revelation (Psalms 77:13), and connect the Seals to the 144,000 and to Satan in Revelation 20, and contrast them to those who are 'marked' by the Devil.
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Alofa Atu
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Four Riders (Horsemen) & Four Horses – Zechariah 1:7-17, 4:6, 6:1-8. The Riders are in control of the Horses, like as unto a Head to a Body, a Husband to a Wife, as Christ to the Church, as Father to Son, as King to Kingdom. The Riders are “Horsemen” - 2 Kings 2:12, 13:14; see also Habakkuk 3:8-15; Psalms 45:3-5 (God), the Horse is the Vehicle for the Messenger with the Message.
Please take note that after the White Horse, and rejection begins to take place, along with doubt, etc, we see the Rider of the Red horse with “Sword” (War), the Rider of the Black horse with Balances of “Famine” (shortage of Wheat & Barley), and we see the Rider of the Pale horse with “Pestilence”, just as we see in Jeremiah 14:10-18, 24:10, 29:17-18, see also Exodus 5:3, 9:15; Leviticus 26:25; Numbers 14:12; Deuteronomy 28:21; 2 Samuel 24:13-15; 1 Kings 8:37; 1 Chronicles 21:12-14; 2 Chronicles 6:28, 7:13, 20:9; Job 15:18-25; Psalms 78:50, 91:3,6; Isaiah 51:19; Jeremiah 5:12, 11:22-23, 14:10-18, 15:2, 16:4, 18:21, 21:7-9, 24:10, 27:8-13, 29:17-18, 32:24,36, 34:17, 38:2, 42:16-22, 44:12-27; Ezekiel 5:12,17, 6:11-12, 7:15, 12:16, 14:19-21, 38:22; Amos 4:10; Habakkuk 3:5; Romans 8:35. War brings on Famine, which brings on Pestilence, but God preserveth the righteous through them.
Horses - “What are they used for in scripture?”, “What is their likeness?”
- War – Exodus 14:9,17; Jeremiah 8:6; Deuteronomy 20:1; Proverbs 21:31, etc.
- Riding – Exodus 15:21; 2 Kings 14:20; 2 Chronicles 25:28; Esther 6:8-11; Job 39:18, etc.
- Messenger – 2 Kings 2:11,12, 6:17, 9:17-18, 13:14 (Angelic)
- Horses of Flesh vs of Spirit (Spiritual, not Spiritualism) – Isaiah 31:3
- Powerful – Job 39:18-19,25; Psalms 147:10
- Priests were housed above the Horse Gate – Nehemiah 3:28
- Not to place trust in the Horse, but in God – Psalms 20:7, 32:9, 33:17; James 3:3
- Represents God's people – Isaiah 63:11-14; Zechariah 10:3, etc.
- Contend with Horses – Jeremiah 12:5
- Hooves (tread down) – Ezekiel 26:11; Isaiah 26:6; Psalms 60:12, 108:13; see also Daniel 7:23, see also Zechariah 10:5; Malachi 4:3; Micah 1:3, etc. (If Sin is not tread down, it will take the place of the rider and tread down us)
- Neck is clothed with Thunder (Voice of God) – Job 39:19, 40:9
- Glory of horses nostrils is terrible/awesome – Job 39:20 (Job 39:19-25)
White – (Pure, Holy, Righteous, Light) – (meaning, Light, Glowing, Radiant (G3022, Leukos)) – Judges 5:10; 2 Chronicles 5:12; “scatters kings” (Psalms 68:11-12,14); Ecclesiastes 9:8; Isaiah 1:18; Daniel 7:9, 11:35, 12:10; Matthew 17:2, 28:3; Mark 9:3, 16:5; Luke 9:29; John 20:12; Acts 1:10; Revelation 1:14, 2:17, 3:4-5,18, 4:4, 6:11, 7:9,13,14, 14:14, 15:6, 19:8,11,14, 20:11; John 4:35 (ripe for harvest).
Red – (Blood, War, Battle, Sin, Sacrifice, Anger, Fiery, Wine, Scarlet, colour of the Dragon) – (meaning fiery) – God is with us through the fiery trials and persectuions.
- Blood – 2 Kings 3:22
- Wine – Psalms 75:8; Proverbs 23:31
- Battle – Nahum 2:3
- Sacrifice – Numbers 19:2 (Calf, like the 2nd Beast)
- Anger – Isaiah 63:1-3; Matthew 16:3; Psalms 21:9; Hebrews 10:27
- Fiery Persecution/Trials – 1 Peter 1:17, 4:12; Daniel 3:6,11,15,17,20,21,23,26
- Colour of the Dragon – Numbers 21:6,8; Deuteronomy 8:15; Isaiah 14:29, 30:6; Ephesians 6:16; Revelation 12:3, 17:3
- Fiery Law – Deuteronomy 33:2; Ezekiel 28:14,16
- Robes of Scarlet – (Matthew 27:28), from White to Red.
“take away peace from the earth” - (the wicked/heathen were at 'rest', not troubled in conscience about their sins, living in sin) Zechariah 1:11,15,21, 6:8; Matthew 10:34-40, 24:7-10; Luke 11:51-53
There is no peace to the wicked – Isaiah 48:22, 57:21, 59:8; Jeremiah 16:5; Ezekiel 7:25, 13:10; Romans 3:7.
Peace (Gospel) – Psalms 29:11, 85:8, 120:7; Isaiah 9:6, 27:5; Jeremiah 29:11; Ezekiel 37:26; Haggai 2:9; Zechariah 9:10; Malachi 2:5; Luke 1:79, 2:14, 14:32, 19:38, 24:36; John 14:27, 16:33, 20:19,21; Acts 10:36; Romans 10:15; Ephesians 2:17.
“Great Sword” - (G3162; Machaira); Isaiah 27:1; see also Matthew 10:34, 26:47,51-52,55; Mark 14:43,47-48; Luke 21:24, 22:36,38,49,52; John 18:10-11; Acts 12:2, 16:27; Romans 8:35, 13:4; Ephesians 6:17; Hebrews 11:343,37; Revelation 6:4, 13:10,14. Hebrews 4:12 seems to be the exception, while the rest speak of persecution, and sword of the state.
Black (opposite of White, thus Impure, Darkness, Evil, Night, Mourning (Sackcloth), Sadness, Sorrow and Burnt) – John 3:19; Joel 2:6; Nahum 2:10; Lamentations 5:10 (Famine); Job 30:30-31; Jeremiah 4:28 (Sadness); though our Sadness will be turned into Joy in the Morning.
Balances (Scales of Worth, of the Sanctuary) – Leviticus 19:36; job 6:2; Ezekiel 45:10; Daniel 5:27 (Deceitful balances – Hosea 12:7; Amos 8:5; Micah 6:11), for weighing and dividing – Ezekiel 5:1; Jeremiah 32:10 (Justice/Mercy)
- Wheat – Psalms 81:16, 147:1-15 (Chaff to the Wheat; John 12:24)
- Barley – 2 Kings 7:1; Ruth 2:23; Job 31:40; Joel 1:11; see also 2 Chronicles 2:10,15) (the Barley was more common than the Wheat, easier to obtain, a more coarse grain, not as fine as What, and there were two differing harvests, 1 for Barley, and 1 for Wheat)
- Oil – (Holy Ghost/Grace/Character) Matthew 25
- Wine – (Doctrine/Life)
- No Rain (Why there is a shortage of Wheat/Barely, Whore's Forehead, etc)
- Penny – Matthew 20:2,10,13 (Why spend money for that which is not Bread; Isaiah 55:2)
“name” - “Death” - Character – 1 Samuel 25:25; Proverbs 22:1; Ecclesiastes 7:1
“Death” - Romans 5:14; 1 Corinthians 15:25; Isaiah 28:15; Jeremiah 9:21, 18:21; James 5:20; Psalms 9:17; Revelation 1:18; Isaiah 25:8; Habakkuk 2:5; Hosea 13:14; 1 Kings 2:6; Exodus 10:17; Leviticus 26:25; Deuteronomy 28:21.
kill with “Death” = Pestilences – Leviticus 26:21-26; Ezekiel 14:21, see also so-called LXX uses.
The mental picture is of a Rider (Death) pulling a Death Wagon filled with bodies/persons that died (Follow after, see Daniel 11:43; Revelation 13:3, for comparisons)
kill with “Beasts” (Nations, State powers) - Jeremiah 15:2-3, 24:10, 29:17-18; Ezekiel 5:12,17, 14:21, see also those passages which speak of Nations/State powers as Beasts, Daniel 7 & 8, Revelation 12 & 13 & 17, etc.
Oh no, you should speak by your own self, not by "we", it because yourself are wrong, as Scripture proves. What prevails is the Word of God which was said by the angel of the Lord, as follow: Revelation 17:v.7 and 12
7 - ... I will tell thee the mystery of the woman(the Great Whore), and of the BEAST that carrieth her (the Great Whore rides upon the Beast), which hath the 7 heads and 10 HORNS.
Who are these 10 HORNS mentioned by the angel of the Lord?
He himself answers the question: Revelation 17:v.12
12 - The 10 HORNS which thou sawest are 10 KINGS, which have received no kingdom as yet; but will receive power as kings one hour with the Beast.
Thus, through the message of the angel of the Lord, we can know that the 10 HORNS are 10 KINGS. Ok.
But who are these 10 KINGS which united themselves with the Beast for a short time, exactly in this time of Apocalypse?
Actually Satan established his satanic church in whole earth, to this he did give power unto his messengers and developed satanic religious structures, a succession of deadly popes and the Roman Catholic Church, the body of Satan in whole Earth, the satanic and universal Antichrist power over the past two thousand years, actually since the first coming of Jesus, evidently.
1 - Which are the 7 heads of the devilish Beast over the earth?
2 - Who are the 10 kings (10 horns) which united themselves to the Beast for one hour?
3 - Who is the the dragon that gave his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority, that is the Beast who comes up out of the earth and has two HORNS like a lamb (a false lamb), and he spake as a dragon?
4 - What is the name of blasphemy upon his 7 heads?
5 - Who is the woman - the Great Whore - ?
Alan Gross
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It is false. 100%. Pure novice activity, at best. To be dismissed out of hand and completely ignored. Not worth a second.
Reading anything about Revelation without acknowledging it is written in seven separate VISIONS, each of which Reinerate and cover the entire Age of New Testament churches is bongers.
What did I say in my post? Here goes again:
Who "ACTUALLY will not recognize any god but himself" is not the Beast from the sea, absolutely, (Revelation 13:v.1), but the another Beast like a lamb - a false lamb, a false messiah, an IMPOSTER, that has TWO HORNS only (Revelation 13:v.11-18), and he will come up out of the earth - a dry land - that is Israel - this Beast is a Jewish MAN, the MAN of sin and son of perdition, actually a former Cherub, the own Satan incarnarted. I add: the Dragon. The Apostle Paul prophesied about this Beast, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Who was not and will never be a Jew is the FIRST Beast (Revelation 13:v.1-10), but a Gentile Beast.
When you say the Beast from the sea: "He will be of ROMAN descent, which means he could come from almost anywhere as there are descendants of Romans all over the world" this makes some sense, the current headBeast enthroned in the Vatican City, upon which rides the Great Whore - the ancient Roman Catholic Church - Pope Francis - he is Argentine.
In 08/31/2019 I commented on this topic you have opened, saying:
Revelation 1:v.10 - 10 "What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia".
We must understand that the spiritual conditions of the seven Churches of Asia is a reference for our days, by which were/are showed the real conditions of the Churches of today, mainly or specially the spiritual conditions of the angels of these Churches. What John did see and did write refers itself also to the present time of Apocalypse.
Yeah, the LEAD PASTORS of the Churches are denominated as angels in the book of Revelation. In these latter times they present themselves with titles such as Pastor, or Apostle, or Bishop, or Evangelists, or Ministers, among others, in any case they are termed as angels of the Churches, where they minister their preachings.
We are not in darkness that this Day could overtake us as a thief. What can we understand by the Word of God, reading the book of Revelation? As it is written, John was caught up in Spirit in the Lord's Day, i.e. he was brought unto this present time, time of Apocalypse, in which we are living.
John saw what is hapenning today in all evangelical or Christian Churches of this time. The seven Churches of Asia of around two thousand years ago are a reference of the Churches in our days, to show to us as the Churches would be spiritually in this apocalyptic time. It is evident that the voice of prophecy could not mentioned explicitly, for example, names of Churches of today like Assemble of God, or Baptist Church, or Presbiterian, or Lutheran, among others, of course.
What are the spiritual conditions of the angels of the Churches today, or in this apocalyptical time, taking the seven Churches of Asia as a reference?
Church of Ephesus
1 - Conditions of the angel of the church of Ephesus: Rev. 2:4-5 - 4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Church of Pergamos
2 - Conditions of the angel of the church of Pergamos - Rev. 2:14-16 - 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. 16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Church of Thyatira
3 - Conditions of the angel of the church of Thyatira - Rev.2: 20-21 - 20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Chuch of Sardis
4 - Conditions of the angel of the angel of Sardis - Rev.3:1-3 - And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. (The dead praise not the Lord, ...(Psalms 115:v.17) 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Church of Laodiceah
5 - Conditions of the angel of the church of Laodiceah - Rev.3:16-17 - 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and BLIND, and naked: (if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.)
Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia
6 - About the Churches of Smyrna and Philadelphia, there was not problems with the angels of them, but whith the members and admirers of the Jews or inhabitants of Israel:
Rev. 2:v.9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Rev. 3:9 - Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
All these things above are happening in the Churches of the present time, the time of Apocalypse, where many members or almost all members are admirers of the Jews in general, and discern not them which are liars and are of the synagogue of Satan.
Brethren, notice that until this moment described in Revelation chapters 1 to 3 the apostle John had not yet been caught up into heaven as is written in Revelation 4:v.1.
Revelation 12:v.3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and 7 crowns upon his (7) heads.
4 And his TAIL drew the third part of the stars of heaven - that are the angels of the Churches: Rev.1:v.20 - , and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
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Oseas
#5Oseas3, Saturday at 1:09 AM
No mystery to it. While there were many "christian" churches in that part of the world at that time, Jesus picked out 7 with different characteristics, to cover all types of churches that call themselves "Christian".
Obviously, all these types of churches have been around since that time & are present today-from the apostate "megachurches" of several big-time "televangelists" to the obscure "Christian" cults to the Holy Spirit-filled little "churches in the valley".
Again, the "seven church ages" doctrine is simply false.
No, you're wrong.
The main 'beast' will be ONE MAN, with a false prophet as his sidekick. this FP will be able to perform certain miracles IN THE PRESENCE OF HIS BOSS. But the main beast won't recognize any god but himself, unlike the popes, & the FP will recognize his boss as God. The FP may be a Jew or he may be a pope. We won't know til he comes on the scene.
Well, I'm glad you see that the doctrine of "7 successive church ages" is simply wrong. But you really need to study Scripture more-closely, as well as world history, to discern more of the truth & get rid of some pollution in your theology.
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