Should we really pledge our allegiance...

[Aaron]

to a nation that for almost forty years has sanctioned and financed infanticide?

About 50 million children legally executed since 1973. Is that kind of nation worthy of a Christian's allegiance and devotion?

Haven't read the whole thread, so I'll respond as if mine were the first response.

The modus operandi of the Left is to indict America on every turn, ignoring its true history and effect on the world, and ascribing the sins and crimes of humanity to its political system.

This is just more of that vomitus.

But this nation is not committing infanticide. Some of its heathen people are killing their children, yes. And the Marxists which are in power are funneling our money (our debt, really) to other nations so other heathens can kill their children, but the nation cannot be indicted with this crime. This is a crime of the Left, and the Right has tirelessly lobbied (those "horrible" lobbyists) and published and given millions to combat it. The Right is slow to take up arms.

And yes, one should pledge his allegiance to a nation that recognizes the Christian's liberty and right to lobby and petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

[righteousdude2]

Only . . .

. . . if you mean it! When I was drafted into the Army to fight in Viet Nam, I was administered the oath and because I was against the taking of life, I did not repeat the words. I was forced to raise my had, by a NCO, but, they couldn't make me speak the words.

However, I have no problem with the pledge of Allegiance, as I do believe in supporting this nation.

 

[RockRambler]

I always say the same pledge of allegiance to this country that Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington did: none


My allegiance is to My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

[jaigner]

I always say the same pledge of allegiance to this country that Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington did: none


My allegiance is to My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Ba-bam!!!

Great post.

 

[Salty]

I always say the same pledge of allegiance to this country that Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington did: none

You are totally WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

Would you be willing to say the pledge they did, and truly mean it.

Read it here - the last sentence - Just above Johns name.

And many lost what they did pledge....

Sgt Salty

 

[Arbo]

If you cannot pledge your allegiance to whatever country in which you have a stake, you don't deserve the blessings you receive from it.

 

[RockRambler]

You are totally WRONG, WRONG, WRONG

Would you be willing to say the pledge they did, and truly mean it.

Read it here - the last sentence - Just above Johns name.

And many lost what they did pledge....

Sgt Salty

Yes, they ...."Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown".....so they didn't pledge allegiance to the United States of America, or any other country.

(Jefferson and Franklin did anyway, Washington was not a signer of the Declaration of Independence)

 

[RockRambler]

If you cannot pledge your allegiance to whatever country in which you have a stake, you don't deserve the blessings you receive from it.

My blessings come from the same one I pledge allegiance too: My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

[Salty]

Yes, they ...."Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown".....so they didn't pledge allegiance to the United States of America, or any other country.

(Jefferson and Franklin did anyway, Washington was not a signer of the Declaration of Independence)

Washington may not have physically signed it, but he lived it. if you read the link, you will see that they did pledge to the
united States of America

NOTE - Capitalizations is correct!

 

[Arbo]

My blessings come from the same one I pledge allegiance too: My Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

As much as I'd agree with you on this, I still stand by my earlier post.

So would I be correct to assume you are not blessed to be an American?

 

[RockRambler]

As much as I'd agree with you on this, I still stand by my earlier post.

So would I be correct to assume you are not blessed to be an American?

I'm blessed to be a sinner saved by grace.

 

[Arbo]

I'm blessed to be a sinner saved by grace.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[RockRambler]

Washington may not have physically signed it, but he lived it. if you read the link, you will see that they did pledge to the
united States of America

NOTE - Capitalizations is correct!

They made a declaration of independence and absolved their allegiance to Britain.

It was many years later when a Socialist wrote a Pledge of Allegiance to for us to recite.

 

[RockRambler]

You didn't answer the question.

I'm blessed to have two born-again Christians parents who reared me in the proper way. Am I glad to be born in this country? Absolutely. But my allegiance is to my Lord and Savior through who all things are possible, Jesus Christ. I have enough faith in him to know I would have been blessed by his grace and love no matter where I was born.

 

[FR7 Baptist]

It was many years later when a Socialist wrote a Pledge of Allegiance to for us to recite.

The writer was also a Baptist minister.

 

[Arbo]

I do not equate 'allegiance' to Christ the same as allegiance to my country. Yes, ultimately I must defer to Him in all things, but I can also identify and be faithful to my homeland. The two are not incompatible.

 

[RockRambler]

I do not equate 'allegiance' to Christ the same as allegiance to my country. Yes, ultimately I must defer to Him in all things, but I can also identify and be faithful to my homeland. The two are not incompatible.

I can be faithful to my country without pledging allegiance. If Americans were faithful and served the USA for over 100 years without pledging allegiance, then so can I.

I'll reserve my allegiance for my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

[NiteShift]

I can be faithful to my country without pledging allegiance. If Americans were faithful and served the USA for over 100 years without pledging allegiance, then so can I.

I'll reserve my allegiance for my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

No one really cares if you recite any pledge or not. It is the attitude of disdain shown towards the land of your birth that is disturbing.

We have an earthly father and a heavenly father and we are commanded to honor both. God is not threatened by this, He commands it.

It is fine for you to say,

"I would have been blessed by his grace and love no matter where I was born."

Good sentiments. But you do know that there are many places on this earth where Christians are stoned, burned with acid, or hacked up with machetes. We should be thankful for what we have and be willing to defend it, instead of airily treating our blessings as a mere nothing.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

And then I wonder how James' word play into this discussion:

' But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. But let your "Yes" be "Yes," and your "No," "No," lest you fall into judgment.'

 

[NiteShift]

And then I wonder how James' word play into this discussion:

' But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. But let your "Yes" be "Yes," and your "No," "No," lest you fall into judgment.'

This is an old controversy, we all know. But Paul swore by the Lord at Rom. 1:9; Phil. 1:8; 1 Thess. 2:5, 10; Gal. 1:20; 2 Cor. 1:23. These are oaths.

When the high priest said to Jesus, “I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God.”, Jesus was under oath when He answered.

A pledge is defined as "A solemn promise or agreement to do or refrain from doing something" and doesn't seem out of line with Paul's words.