The Gift Ministries

[JonShaff]

I am sincerely interested in your view Jon, easy to converse with.

Yes I believe Jude was an apostle (of the 12).

What is the function of present day apostle?
See post #57

I'll respond in a little bit. Preaching a friend's funeral. Please pray for us. Thank you

 

[HankD]

I'll respond in a little bit. Preaching a friend's funeral. Please pray for us. Thank you

Thank you Jon.

Yes will pray.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Thank you Jon.

Yes will pray.

So will I.

 

[HankD]

So, I am genuinely interested in the teaching of apostolic succession.

Secessionists please read post #57.

Not trick questions not even the first as I believe the Church of Rome might be able to come up with a list (Cardinals are in the apostolic succession).

No judgemental attitude unless you do it first

 

[jeremiah1five]

So do I.

HankD, your comments and your holding prove otherwise.
You should seriously consider these things.
Really.
But being that when you first posted a comment you didn't come at me with question(s) so the "season" was not then, nor now, and as I said, when someone says something that piques your conscience you should stop and wonder and question why.
Not lash out.
But these are the facts. And we'll leave it like that.
Have a good day out there. Wherever you are.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Judas' name will be there as well. He was an apostle of the Lamb.
Now, Jesus Christ is a Lion.
He comes back as a Lion.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I believe that paul was indeed the replacement for Judas, as he was the last chosen Apostle by Jesus Himself!

Yeshua1, when you die who will replace you since Christ replaces apostles (which are people)?
When Christ births a new believer Christ does it Himself.
Christ called me Himself. But I am not an apostle. Will I be replaced?
If that's the case where Christ replaces the Church in the end will only consist of twelve people.

 

[jeremiah1five]

There were/are/will ever be 12 apostles throughout eternity.

I explained before that apostolon, apostoloi does not necessarily applier to THE 12 apostles.

The Greek word(s) may mean "messenger", "sent one" but not one of the 12.

Just because the KJV translators "transliterated" the word in some cases and in other cases gave its functional meaning does not mean "apostle" refers to the 12.

In the last book of the Bible the Apostle John says there are 12 apostles of Jesus Christ the Lamb of God of the Eternal City the New Jerusalem.

Apostolic cessation happened in eternity.

What reference do you use, HankD?
Some of these reference books I've looked at (Greek/Hebrew) have a tendency of "leading the witness."
They add words around the definition which short-circuits the Holy Spirit.
Yes, the Holy Spirit can be short-circuited.

 

[Yeshua1]

Yeshua1, when you die who will replace you since Christ replaces apostles (which are people)?
When Christ births a new believer Christ does it Himself.
Christ called me Himself. But I am not an apostle. Will I be replaced?
If that's the case where Christ replaces the Church in the end will only consist of twelve people.

God had no replacement for the Apostles, as they were unique to just that time!

 

[Yeshua1]

What reference do you use, HankD?
Some of these reference books I've looked at (Greek/Hebrew) have a tendency of "leading the witness."
They add words around the definition which short-circuits the Holy Spirit.
Yes, the Holy Spirit can be short-circuited.

God can be short Circuited?

 

[jeremiah1five]

In this case I would like to prolong the issue a little more.

Apostolic succession implies a succession going back to the original 12 apostles.
OR
An authoritative body to confer the gift.
OR
Someone claiming and able to prove they are an apostle.

May I see you list of predecessors if the first above? OR
Who is the authority for conferring it OR
What evidence is there forthcoming if someone claims they are an apostle?

If I may...
Your comment for defining an apostle said "sent one."
That is one of the definitions for an apostle. Very simply it means "sent one."

Here is the word in usage elsewhere:

Mark 6:27 (KJV)
27 And immediately the king sent [apostolos] an executioner, and commanded his head to be brought: and he went and beheaded him in the prison,

There is nothing spiritual about the word.

An apostle can be you if the Lord were to speak audibly to you and send you on some mission.

But then are you a true apostle if you can't raise the dead, or the other RESTRICTED teachings in Scripture that are relied on to identify a true apostle?

Still, you have been sent but can't raise the dead as is commonly nd erroneously held in the Church today?

Would you be an apostle without the Scriptural identifying "marks" assigned to an apostle by others?

 

[jeremiah1five]

God had no replacement for the Apostles, as they were unique to just that time!

But you say God replaced Judas with Matthias/Paul?

Which is it?

 

[HankD]

What reference do you use, HankD?
Some of these reference books I've looked at (Greek/Hebrew) have a tendency of "leading the witness."
They add words around the definition which short-circuits the Holy Spirit.
Yes, the Holy Spirit can be short-circuited.

After the military and marriage I attended San Jose College, Engineering, then Calvary University in KCMO. Graduated 1972.

I took 3 semesters of koine Greek Reference: A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament, Dana and Mantey.
2 semesters of Hebrew: Reference: A Practical Grammar For Classical Hebrew, J Weingreen.

 

[Yeshua1]

But you say God replaced Judas with Matthias/Paul?

Which is it?

Replaced, as in the last Apostle!

 

[Yeshua1]

After the military and marriage I attended San Jose College, Engineering, then Calvary University in KCMO. Graduated 1972.

I took 3 semesters of koine Greek Reference: A Manual Grammar of the Greek New Testament, Dana and Mantey.
2 semesters of Hebrew: Reference: A Practical Grammar For Classical Hebrew, J Weingreen.

Which places you at the head of the class here!

 

[HankD]

If I may...
Your comment for defining an apostle said "sent one."
That is one of the definitions for an apostle. Very simply it means "sent one."

Here is the word in usage elsewhere:

Mark 6:27 (KJV)
27 And immediately the king sent [apostolos] an executioner, and commanded his head to be brought: and he went and beheaded him in the prison,

There is nothing spiritual about the word.

An apostle can be you if the Lord were to speak audibly to you and send you on some mission.

But then are you a true apostle if you can't raise the dead, or the other RESTRICTED teachings in Scripture that are relied on to identify a true apostle?

Still, you have been sent but can't raise the dead as is commonly nd erroneously held in the Church today?

Would you be an apostle without the Scriptural identifying "marks" assigned to an apostle by others?

As you may have noted J I am not a successionist so your questions don't exactly fit me.

However - whether I can raise the dead or not I don't know, I've never tried.

But if I could, I wouldn't call myself an apostle but someone with a God given ability to raise the dead and perhaps yes someone "sent" to do just that while not saying of course that I am the 13th apostle.

 

[HankD]

Which places you at the head of the class here!

Hmm, I only made the honor roll once. Then B average.

I had a family - 2 children (3 when I graduated), I had to work full time to support them, the GI Bill only paid for books and tuition and only about 3/4 of that.

 

[Yeshua1]

As you may have noted J I am not a successionist so your questions don't exactly fit me.

However - whether I can raise the dead or not I don't know, I've never tried.

But if I could, I wouldn't call myself an apostle but someone with a God given ability to raise the dead and perhaps yes someone "sent" to do just that while not saying of course that I am the 13th apostle.

I am amazed that so many fall for modern day faith healers , such as Oral Roberts, who claimed a 700 ft tall Jesus told him to build ORU hospital, and yet their healing rate there is same as any regular hospital, do spcial healng power there!

 

[Yeshua1]

Hmm, I only made the honor roll once. Then B average.

I had a family - 2 children (3 when I graduated), I had to work full time to support them, the GI Bill only paid for books and tuition and only about 3/4 of that.

Still, you a re in the front rank of us here!

 

[jeremiah1five]

So will I.

I like Martyn Lloyd.
I like RC.
Hello there.