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The Sovereign will of God

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Eternally Grateful

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Marooncat79 said:
The origin of our faith is the Issue

faith is a gift of God
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Faith is a gift of God. But it is not just automatic. It takes time

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word - Faith does not come in a split second. for many it may take years of the drawing of God as he continues to show himself. the help of people who are witnessing to them through word and deed. and reading his word.
 
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37818 said:
The word of God that passage cites is nature revelation referenced in the Psalms 19:4 < Romans 10:17-18.
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not sure I understand what your saying


14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:
“Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”

I could be wrong, But this sounds like audible teaching of the gospel. The gospel being the word
 
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37818 said:
Where did Jesus state all of us to be slaves to sin?
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The verse that many will ref is Joh 8:34, but if you look at the Greek text you will find that Jesus is saying that those that choose to make sin a way of life are those that are slaves to it.

If you extrapolate that to mean that no-one can do any good or trust in God then I think that is a bridge to far.
 
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Eternally Grateful

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37818 said:
The word of God that passage cites is nature revelation referenced in the Psalms 19:4 < Romans 10:17-18.
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had to read it again,

4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

seems like yes, we are on the same page
 
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37818

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Eternally Grateful said:
not sure I understand what your saying


14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:
“Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”

I could be wrong, But this sounds like audible teaching of the gospel. The gospel being the word
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Psalms 19:4,
". . . Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. . . ." As quoted, ". . . their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. . . . " Romans 10:18. Natural revelation being God's word.
 
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Eternally Grateful said:
the issue here is faith

calvinists seem to think faith is a work. something we conjure up. or a good deed

Faith is not a work. it is not an action, it is nothing but a confidence in another person. an object or in self.

a person who trusts self has faith in self. Many christians even fall under this category.

A person who was brought to their knees like the tax collector repented and placed his or her faith in above. the only thing left. out of deseration.

Its not a good deed.

the tax collector did not earn his salvation because he repented and fell on his face..

he fell on his face because he realised there was NOTHING he could do. and out of despiration cried out.
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We Calvinists do not see faith as a work, as we see it as the gift of God towards His own elect in Christ!
 
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JesusFan said:
We Calvinists do not see faith as a work, as we see it as the gift of God towards His own elect in Christ!
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yet you claim people who believe in God for salvation are trying to earn it by works.

Thats being double minded my friend.

Faith is a gift. But just because you get a gift does not mean you will use it or benefit from it.
 
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Eternally Grateful said:
yet you claim people who believe in God for salvation are trying to earn it by works.

Thats being double minded my friend.

Faith is a gift. But just because you get a gift does not mean you will use it or benefit from it.
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remember, when God regenerates our hearts, we come to our senses and see our sinfulness before God and how we deserve hell.

we also realize how blessed we are that we have been called by God
 
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Eternally Grateful said:
yet you claim people who believe in God for salvation are trying to earn it by works.

Thats being double minded my friend.

Faith is a gift. But just because you get a gift does not mean you will use it or benefit from it.
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Your first statement is not true.
Satan believes in God, but he will never be saved. Muslims believe in God for salvation but will never be saved by their belief in God. Many cults believe in God for salvation but will never be saved.

When we place belief in the hands of men we get men who create God in their own image. Only when God gives you faith to believe in the atoning work of Jesus on the cross, will you ever be saved. You are secondary and God is primary in your capacity to believe.
 
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Eternally Grateful

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Marooncat79 said:
remember, when God regenerates our hearts, we come to our senses and see our sinfulness before God and how we deserve hell.

we also realize how blessed we are that we have been called by God
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Don’t happen that way my friend. For many it takes years.. For some it takes but a short time. Seeing it your way. It would happen immediately. It also makes god a respecter of persons. Not a god look for a God who claims to be a god of love and willing that non should perish.
 
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AustinC said:
Your first statement is not true.
Satan believes in God, but he will never be saved. Muslims believe in God for salvation but will never be saved by their belief in God. Many cults believe in God for salvation but will never be saved.

When we place belief in the hands of men we get men who create God in their own image. Only when God gives you faith to believe in the atoning work of Jesus on the cross, will you ever be saved. You are secondary and God is primary in your capacity to believe.
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This just proves you have utterly no comprehension of anything I said.

When your ready to actually sit and understand what I mean and what I say. Come talk to me.
 
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atpollard

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Eternally Grateful said:
not sure I understand what your saying


14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:
“Their sound has gone out to all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”

I could be wrong, But this sounds like audible teaching of the gospel. The gospel being the word
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Verse 18 seems to imply the reality that was seen when Jesus spoke … many heard the words but few understood (that whole EARS TO HEAR thing [Luke 8:10]). Like Lydia, God makes the difference by opening the heart to hear the words. [Acts of the Apostles 16:14]
 
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atpollard

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Eternally Grateful said:
Faith is a gift. But just because you get a gift does not mean you will use it or benefit from it.
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So the saved ARE better than the unsaved … we were smart enough to use the gift that everyone got so we DESERVE to be saved and they DESERVE to be damned. Is that the message?

Hooray for US!

[edit: this probably needs a “sarcasm” warning because SOMEONE will miss the sarcasm.]
 
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Eternally Grateful said:
Don’t happen that way my friend. For many it takes years.. For some it takes but a short time. Seeing it your way. It would happen immediately. It also makes god a respecter of persons. Not a god look for a God who claims to be a god of love and willing that non should perish.
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Non will perish right? John 3, I Peter?

remember, Paul says he was one born out of due time
 
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