What Do These Passages Teach?

[SavedByGrace]

Hebrews 10:29. One must hear God's truth which is holy before anyone can believe to be saved, 1 Peter 1:2, ". . . into . . . and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: . . ."

How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

This means spiritual rebirth!

 

[Larry the Logger]

One of the things Hebrews 10:29 teaches is a person can have been sanctified and not saved. Since those who are saved cannot loose salvation, this then shows sanctification comes before salvation, as per, 1 Peter 1:2, and 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

Isn't God infinitely big enough, great enough, powerful enough, brilliant enough to know from eternity past what we will choose to do and still allow our independent volition, free will, that He created, to operate independently? Does God knowing something in eternity past make it certain? Or, Is He able to know, yet allow an independent agent to make a decision without God predetermining or making that free agent's decision? What action completed the saving work of Christ on the cross, God knowing it would happen in eternity past or the actual work of Jesus after He said, "not My will but Thine"?

 

[Larry the Logger]

I have no problem, was just thinking that it might get a lot of responses as they are very deep passages from Ezekiel

You're right. I appreciate your suggestion. I'll start a new thread.

 

[SavedByGrace]

You're right. I appreciate your suggestion. I'll start a new thread.

Great looking forward to it

 

[37818]

So you are saying that a person can be made holy by the blood of Jesus Christ and remain unsaved? This has got to be the first in the Bible

No. God's truth is holy and sanctifies. Rejecting it is rejecting holiness.

 

[37818]

How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

This means spiritual rebirth!

Rejecting salvation. No excuse.

 

[37818]

Isn't God infinitely big enough, great enough, powerful enough, brilliant enough to know from eternity past what we will choose to do and still allow our independent volition, free will, that He created, to operate independently? Does God knowing something in eternity past make it certain? Or, Is He able to know, yet allow an independent agent to make a decision without God predetermining or making that free agent's decision? What action completed the saving work of Christ on the cross, God knowing it would happen in eternity past or the actual work of Jesus after He said, "not My will but Thine"?

Well as the Eternal Son has limited some of His knowing that those who reject Him will have no such excuse for rejecting Him. Everyone's name by the blood of our Lord starts out in His book, 1 John 2:2, the promise of Revelation 3:5, 1 John 5:4-5.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Well as the Eternal Son has limited some of His knowing that those who reject Him will have no such excuse for rejecting Him. Everyone's name by the blood of our Lord starts out in His book, 1 John 2:2, the promise of Revelation 3:5, 1 John 5:4-5.

You have a very unbiblical view of Jesus Christ

 

[Yeshua1]

You have a very unbiblical view of Jesus Christ

Jesus ONLY self limited Himself while on the earth, but ascended back with His full glory once again!

 

[Larry the Logger]

Well as the Eternal Son has limited some of His knowing that those who reject Him will have no such excuse for rejecting Him.

I'm sorry, I don't understand that sentence. I need a comma somewhere.

 

[AustinC]

good verse, but cannot be taken by itself. Respond to the 2 in the OP

I have shared both passages and expressed clearly why your view is utterly wrong.

 

[Yeshua1]

I have shared both passages and expressed clearly why your view is utterly wrong.

Guess per our brother its saved by faith and kept by good works?

 

[Tsalagi]

One of the things Hebrews 10:29 teaches is a person can have been sanctified and not saved. Since those who are saved cannot loose salvation, this then shows sanctification comes before salvation, as per, 1 Peter 1:2, and 2 Thessalonians 2:13.

Rejecting salvation. No excuse.

Only God's people were under the law; that's the context of Hebrews 10. There is no covenant between God and unbelievers to be found in Scripture. Your view that Hebrews 10:29 speaks of the unsaved fails at the next verse: "The Lord shall judge His people." The unsaved are not God's people.

God's people can be severely judged without losing their salvation.

 

[Van]

Jesus purchased the church with His blood (Acts 20:28). The Spirit is given as a pledge until that purchased possession is fully redeemed (Ephesians 1:14). All humankind is not sealed with the Spirit.

Did anyone say "all humankind is sealed with the Holy Spirit?" Nope, of course not. Folks, he just makes it up and posts non-stop falsehoods.

Did anyone say Jesus did not purchase the church with His blood? No of course not. Folks, he just makes it up and posts non-stop strawman evasions.

Born anew Christians will not fall away, out of the hand of God. Nothing can separate us. We did not put us into Christ, and we are powerless to put ourselves out of Christ.

Here the fallacy is to think "he was sanctified" refers to be placed in (within) Christ. But instead, all humankind was set apart (sanctified) under the New Covenant in His blood. When Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, He both purchased (bought) all humankind with His blood, He also placed all humankind under the New Covenant in His blood. And of course, included are those placed into Christ, the church of the first born.

Romans 8:38-39
For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1Timothy 2:6
who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

2Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

 

[Tsalagi]

Did anyone say "all humankind is sealed with the Holy Spirit?" Nope, of course not. Folks, he just makes it up and posts non-stop falsehoods.

... all humankind was set apart (sanctified) under the New Covenant in His blood. When Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, He both purchased (bought) all humankind with His blood, He also placed all humankind under the New Covenant in His blood. And of course, included are those placed into Christ, the church of the first born.

Christ laying down His life "a ransom for all" does not mean that all have accepted it. Look at the parable of the wedding feast in Matthew 22. The groom's father says “See, I have prepared my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves have been slaughtered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding feast.”’ But those FOR whom all that was prepared paid no attention and didn't come and partake.

Here's a helpful introduction to basic logic. If A=B, and B=C, then A=C.

A. He purchased (bought) all humankind with His blood (acc. to Van).
B. The possession purchased with His blood is sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption (Acts 20:28, Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30).
C. All humankind (acc. to Van) is therefore sealed with the Holy Spirit.

So to answer your question about who says all humankind is sealed with the Holy Spirit, that would be you, my friend.

 

[Iconoclast]

wow! you can read minds!!!

no..I do not read minds.i just read your posts that miss the truth.
Judaism was legal , Christianity was not, they were warned that to go back was apostasy.
it was written to them as an exhortation not to go back, it was written for them directly at that time.For you to post otherwise shows you do not understand the book.
your foolish comments that it was written for all Christians magnifies the degree to which you lack understanding both of the book and salvation itself.
All scripture i
That does not means for us, that goes without saying.

Others offered you the truth, you turn away each time. You do not want an answer like I said.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Guess per our brother its saved by faith and kept by good works?

here is the typical Reformed UNBIBILICAL response! You guys should listen to what the Holy Bible says, and NOT the warped theology that you blindly follow!

are you suggesting that after we are saved by grace, we live a life of sin???

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ (Matthew 7)

"Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14)

READ WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!

 

[Dave G]

Isn't God infinitely big enough, great enough, powerful enough, brilliant enough to know from eternity past what we will choose to do and still allow our independent volition, free will, that He created, to operate independently?

Sure He is...and according to Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, Psalms 10, Psalms 14, Ecclesiastes 7:20, Romans 3:23, John 3:19-20 and many others,
He reveals exactly what we would do and did do...

Choose against Him and His ways.

Does God knowing something in eternity past make it certain?

Yes.

Or, Is He able to know, yet allow an independent agent to make a decision without God predetermining or making that free agent's decision?

Yes, which is what happens every day with mankind.
We, as independent agents, choose to sin and love it... while at the same time we choose to hate God and His Son, and refuse to repent of what we love.

In other words, we freely make the decision to follow sin.
See Jeremiah 13:23 and many more.

What action completed the saving work of Christ on the cross, God knowing it would happen in eternity past or the actual work of Jesus after He said, "not My will but Thine"?

Christ's actual work on the cross was not only foreordained, but His submission to the will of His Father was going to be carried out no matter what.

 

[Larry the Logger]

Sure He is...and according to Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, Psalms 10, Psalms 14, Ecclesiastes 7:20, Romans 3:23, John 3:19-20 and many others,
He reveals exactly what we would do and did do...
Choose against Him and His ways.

Yep, even after we're saved. Romans 2:1

Yes, which is what happens every day with mankind.
We, as independent agents, choose to sin and love it... while at the same time we choose to hate God and His Son, and refuse to repent of what we love.

I know, and thankfully, we have 1 John 1:9, Rev 3:20 and Psalm 51, as promises and examples of what believers can do when we choose to repent.

In other words, we freely make the decision to follow sin.
See Jeremiah 13:23 and many more.

Yep. And with a similar consequences for believers, get marched naked to Babylon, like the Northern Kingdom got marched to Assyria, if we don't change our minds. Jeremiah 13:25-27 (loss of overcomer rewards)[/QUOTE]

Christ's actual work on the cross was not only foreordained, but His submission to the will of His Father was going to be carried out no matter what.

Your only comment, the last part after "but", is the only thing with which I don't agree but that's in another thread/subject on its third iteration.

 

[Aaron]

Isn't God infinitely big enough, great enough, powerful enough, brilliant enough to know from eternity past what we will choose to do and still allow our independent volition, free will, that He created, to operate independently?

Which, being interpreted, meaneth: Isn't God infinitely big enough to see how much better some people will be than others, and choose them on that basis?