What is the role of women in the Church?

[gb93433]

Former church attended, the pastor was a female, and she always said that she felt that God had in mind a man to be the pastor, but she was "forced" to become it instead!

My take on it still did not make it biblically right!

While I agree it is always best to have a male pastor. There are not only biblical reasons but practical reasons which so many men seem to ignore the obvious simply because they are not leaders anywhere. Some men are worthless teachers and examples. They are nothing more than lazy bags of air who do have something good in them in that they provide an excellent example of what not to do.

The best church my wife and I were members of was started by two women. It was started during WWII. I had gotten to know one of them and she said that they picked the first man who came along to be the preacher. She said they taught him during the week and propped him up there on Sunday.

 

[gb93433]

"Get the job"? I doubt Margaret Court sees the ministry as a "job":

She is a former professional tennis player who hold a number of records. She is well respected in the tennis community.

 

[revmwc]

"Get the job"? I doubt Margaret Court sees the ministry as a "job":

http://www.victorylifecentre.com.au/blog/?p=76



What's she preaching?
She's preaching traditional values, marriage being between a man and a woman.
You consider that "contrary to scripturem"?



No, I think Arbo is correct in fingering them as secular bigots, a pro-g@y-marriage group, just employing your same pet "versuses" and arguments to try to shut her up!

Did you happen to se the word "Or" which made it question?
my quote "Or is she now teaching things contrary to scripture..." the teaching cotrary to scripture is her as a teacher of men. How did she get the Pastorate if you don't want it called a job, was she assigned it or did the church call her. did she take it knowing she would cause this stir? If that be true then she again is contrary to scripture just trying to stirup problems. Do you know what occured or why? I don't I am asking questions to whcih you may know.

 

[gb93433]

i do NOT hold to christians who hold to ordained women as pastors as being heretics, but do see them basing their position NOT on the Bible, but on what they feel should be done, thinking that not ordaining women somehow bigoted/sexist towards them!

When churches have conflict do you think that the majority base their actions on what the Bible teaches on how to resolve conflict. In recent years I cannot think of very many that have hit the news and blogs who have. People are withholding their money and bad mouthing the pastor often times with lies and opinions of no substance.

Why do you think the average time a pastors stays in quite short?

 

[DaChaser1]

When churches have conflict do you think that the majority base their actions on what the Bible teaches on how to res;love conflict. In recent years I cannot think of very many that have hit the news and blogs who have. People are withholding their money and bad mouthing the pastor often times with lies and opinions of no substance.

Why do you think the average time a pastors stays in quite short?

Sometimes due to the body having "itching ears', not willing to submit to sound doctrines, other times , personality conflicts , other times just time to move!

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I have posted an article in the true meaning of headship based on its NT context. This has either been ignored or attempted to rationalize away. I and others have given numerous scripture that supports women in leadership roles in the church; this has been ignored or twisted or rationalized away.

I am still waiting for those who unjustly and unscripturally support spiritual subjugation of women to say that they require their women not to cut their hair and to wear a head covering in church.

 

[gb93433]

I have posted an article in the true meaning of headship based on its NT context. This has either been ignored or attempted to rationalize away. I and others have given numerous scripture that supports women in leadership roles in the church; this has been ignored or twisted or rationalized away.

I am still waiting for those who unjustly and unscripturally support spiritual subjugation of women to say that they require their women not to cut their hair and to wear a head covering in church.

Women had specific leadership roles in the early church that is documented but we fail to see some of that today. Of course most pastors will say that if it were not for the women not much would get done. I heard a woman missionary say in response to a young man in seminary, "If it were not for so many lazy men like you then we would not have to go." The men are too busy being successful at things that are of temporal value. The view of their job is more important than their view of eternity. Of course they will get the rewards of moths and rust.

 

[DaChaser1]

I have posted an article in the true meaning of headship based on its NT context. This has either been ignored or attempted to rationalize away. I and others have given numerous scripture that supports women in leadership roles in the church; this has been ignored or twisted or rationalized away.

I am still waiting for those who unjustly and unscripturally support spiritual subjugation of women to say that they require their women not to cut their hair and to wear a head covering in church.

problem is that the sources keep citing have a low view of scripture, denying that it is infallible/inerrant, and have their agenda in this topic pushing their arguements, NOT the Bible itself!

Still looking for ANY verse where Jesus, God, Apostles etc said acceptable to have women lead/ordained as pastors/elders!

 

[gb93433]

problem is that the sources keep citing have a low view of scripture, denying that it is infallible/inerrant, and have their agenda in this topic pushing their arguements, NOT the Bible itself!

Still looking for ANY verse where Jesus, God, Apostles etc said acceptable to have women lead/ordained as pastors/elders!

There are many examples of women leading. A study of the religious practices of Judaism and early Christianity will find women leading children and other women. They were also involved in caring ministries.

 

[Arbo]

This thread makes me believe in deja vu.

...And before anyone asks for a reference, I have none. It's experiential. Again.

 

[revmwc]

I have posted an article in the true meaning of headship based on its NT context. This has either been ignored or attempted to rationalize away. I and others have given numerous scripture that supports women in leadership roles in the church; this has been ignored or twisted or rationalized away.

I am still waiting for those who unjustly and unscripturally support spiritual subjugation of women to say that they require their women not to cut their hair and to wear a head covering in church.

Too bad you'll be waiting a long time, none of us have said women don't have a place, a calling even a ministry. We are just reading scripture which you still haven't given us a scripture that says God has approved of women teaching men or having authority over men.

I don't support subjigation of women, nor am I unjust, the church I pastored had a women music director and she lead the youth also, bible says nothing that a women can't do those jobs. It is clear she is not to teach men nor to usurp the authority of a man in spiritual things. The deacons were men commanded by the 12 was the church to seperate out 7 men of good report, Paaul said a deacon must be the husband of one wife and rule his house well. Paul said it is because God created Adam first and gave him the authority to be the spiritual leader. The wife is his help mate, not his slave, she is equal in things of the home and finances, but the man is to be the Spiritual leader in the home and in the Church.

 

[DaChaser1]

Too bad you'll be waiting a long time, none of us have said women don't have a place, a calling even a ministry. We are just reading scripture which you still haven't given us a scripture that says God has approved of women teaching men or having authority over men.

I don't support subjigation of women, nor am I unjust, the church I pastored had a women music director and she lead the youth also, bible says nothing that a women can't do those jobs. It is clear she is not to teach men nor to usurp the authority of a man in spiritual things. The deacons were men commanded by the 12 was the church to seperate out 7 men of good report, Paaul said a deacon must be the husband of one wife and rule his house well. Paul said it is because God created Adam first and gave him the authority to be the spiritual leader. The wife is his help mate, not his slave, she is equal in things of the home and finances, but the man is to be the Spiritual leader in the home and in the Church.

yes, we are NOT supporting women as being less than men in sight of God, as in Christ BOTh are equal, BOTH in image of God, Chrsit died for BOTH, its just that pastoral headship in a doctrine established by Jesus and confirmed by Apostle paul under inspiration of the HS!

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Too bad you'll be waiting a long time, none of us have said women don't have a place, a calling even a ministry. We are just reading scripture which you still haven't given us a scripture that says God has approved of women teaching men or having authority over men.

I don't support subjigation of women, nor am I unjust, the church I pastored had a women music director and she lead the youth also, bible says nothing that a women can't do those jobs. It is clear she is not to teach men nor to usurp the authority of a man in spiritual things. The deacons were men commanded by the 12 was the church to seperate out 7 men of good report, Paaul said a deacon must be the husband of one wife and rule his house well. Paul said it is because God created Adam first and gave him the authority to be the spiritual leader. The wife is his help mate, not his slave, she is equal in things of the home and finances, but the man is to be the Spiritual leader in the home and in the Church.

http://www.cbeinternational.org/?q=content/i-believe-male-headship

 

[Arbo]

yes, we are NOT supporting women as being less than men in sight of God, as in Christ BOTh are equal, BOTH in image of God, Chrsit died for BOTH, its just that pastoral headship in a doctrine established by Jesus and confirmed by Apostle paul under inspiration of the HS!

Yep. Equal, but with different roles.

 

[DaChaser1]

Yep. Equal, but with different roles.

isn't it curious that the Godhead practice equality with different roles, having voluntary subordination of Son/holy spirit to the father!

If God can do it, why do we have pride that balks at doing it also!

 

[Crabtownboy]

The role of a woman in the church is to do that which God calls her to do.

 

[DaChaser1]

The role of a woman in the church is to do that which God calls her to do.

Anything , except that one position of a pastor!

 

[revmwc]

http://www.cbeinternational.org/?q=content/i-believe-male-headship

Where's your scriptural backup, I don't want to see some EDOP on this show scripture that supports your position that specifically says a woman can teach men or usurp authority over him.

 

[Arbo]

The role of a woman in the church is to do that which God calls her to do.

Agree wholeheartedly.

The question is if the supposed calling is Biblical. If it is, fine; and if it is not, it must be deemed to be not a true calling.

I noticethat you are cryptically noncommittal.

 

[revmwc]

The role of a woman in the church is to do that which God calls her to do.

That is not what was behind the question of course. Would God call her to teach men or to usurp authority over men?