What's Wrong with Younger Pastors'???

[Mexdeaf]

I come from a RC background, this puts me in mind of 12 different masses on Sunday & two on Saturday. Is that what we are becoming? Its more of an observation, a question Mex than it is a criticism.

That kinda schedule must take away time the Pastor needs to devote to his family & his own needs, correct.... and/or then you would require more people on the staff to facilitate these multiple services. Isnt this a drain (both physically & economically) on the Church?

It's not a drain for me, but our kids are grown, live far away and me and mom enjoy the fellowship with our adopted
kids. The church service takes much more prep time than the Bible studies, which are more of a question and answer format.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It's not a drain for me, but our kids are grown, live far away and me and mom enjoy the fellowship with our adopted
kids. The church service takes much more prep time than the Bible studies, which are more of a question and answer format.

But it would be a drain for a young couple raising a family, right?

 

[Havensdad]

I can't just be the feeder of the sheep. They have other needs than just eating. But we will disagree so have a great Labor day!

I agree. That is why we have deacons. For: "It is not right that we should give up preaching the word of God to serve tables." (Acts 6:2)

I have a responsibility as a Christian towards my brothers and sisters, but that is different than the requirements of my office.

 

[Havensdad]

Wonder what scripture is telling us about Luke 9:14

(About five thousand men were there.) But he said to his disciples, "Have them sit down in groups of about fifty each."

Um, its telling us that its really hard to pass out loaves and fishes to 5000 people who are all huddled together to hear Jesus preaching without a sound system?

This is not talking about the church. The churches in the New Testament had well over 50 people...plural eldership (3-5?) along with deacons (another 3-5?_ (as taught in the New Testament), just with their families, would constitute in many cases well over 100 people.

We have no permission given to split the church. As I believe in the Regulative principle, I would have to just say, however many Christians are in a given area, should be meeting together...

 

[TadQueasy]

I hate questions/discussions like this that lump everyone in a certain age demographic. The problems being discussed have nothing to do with the mans age.

 

[Havensdad]

I hate questions/discussions like this that lump everyone in a certain age demographic. The problems being discussed have nothing to do with the mans age.

I think that is somewhat true. This is more a theological difference than an age difference.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I hate questions/discussions like this that lump everyone in a certain age demographic. The problems being discussed have nothing to do with the mans age.

Saw this just in time . I was about to post the same thing. Thanks Bro.

There is nothing wrong with young pastors. There are wrong things about pastors of all ages.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Um, its telling us that its really hard to pass out loaves and fishes to 5000 people who are all huddled together to hear Jesus preaching without a sound system?

This is not talking about the church. The churches in the New Testament had well over 50 people...plural eldership (3-5?) along with deacons (another 3-5?_ (as taught in the New Testament), just with their families, would constitute in many cases well over 100 people.

We have no permission given to split the church. As I believe in the Regulative principle, I would have to just say, however many Christians are in a given area, should be meeting together...

Or um, maybe it is telling something else..... perhaps churches need to be smaller & here is a word for ya...."Manageable" What da ya think?

 

[Havensdad]

Or um, maybe it is telling something else..... perhaps churches need to be smaller & here is a word for ya...."Manageable" What da ya think?

But he did not have them split up, until it was dinner time. They were all together for the teaching and preaching...

A 5000 member church is manageable, if you have enough elders. But when there is only one pastor, that makes things quite a bit different. Since those who preach the Gospel are "to make their living by the Gospel", 50 people, who are not wealthy, would have a really hard time with that! ESPECIALLY when you factor in children (that would be just a few families).

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

But he did not have them split up, until it was dinner time. They were all together for the teaching and preaching...

A 5000 member church is manageable, if you have enough elders. But when there is only one pastor, that makes things quite a bit different. Since those who preach the Gospel are "to make their living by the Gospel", 50 people, who are not wealthy, would have a really hard time with that! ESPECIALLY when you factor in children (that would be just a few families).

Thanks for making my point! Personally I dont see any maladjusted lives from my two pastors.....both run smaller churches & do not draw salaries... Both have advanced degrees & one of the guys runs his own construction business. But thats a whole different animal from what your discussing. I will bow out now...... carry on!!!

 

[Havensdad]

Thanks for making my point! Personally I dont see any maladjusted lives from my two pastors.....both run smaller churches & do not draw salaries... Both have advanced degrees & one of the guys runs his own construction business. But thats a whole different animal from what your discussing. I will bow out now...... carry on!!!

What was your point? That in order to be obedient to scripture, and take a salary as we are commanded (so we can be engaged in ministry full time) that we have to have a larger church?

Bi-vocational ministry is NOT the norm of scripture. Though sometimes necessary, it is not what is commanded .

1Co_9:14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

Notice that says "commanded" not "suggested"

 

[Mexdeaf]

But it would be a drain for a young couple raising a family, right?

Probably. Our ministry is pretty unique. Not too many have the opportunity to work and minister on a college campus and start a church off of that like we do. I'm on campus around 30 hours a week, and my job there puts me in close contact with the students. My wife works there also, so we really have a lot of great opportunities to model Christ.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Probably. Our ministry is pretty unique. Not too many have the opportunity to work and minister on a college campus and start a church off of that like we do. I'm on campus around 30 hours a week, and my job there puts me in close contact with the students. My wife works there also, so we really have a lot of great opportunities to model Christ.

Thats wonderful brother.....thanks for sharing. Nice to see His fingerprints on stuff that furthers the Kingdom.

:godisgood:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What was your point? That in order to be obedient to scripture, and take a salary as we are commanded (so we can be engaged in ministry full time) that we have to have a larger church?

Bi-vocational ministry is NOT the norm of scripture. Though sometimes necessary, it is not what is commanded .

1Co_9:14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

Notice that says "commanded" not "suggested"

By that reasoning, every time I go out proclaiming the gospel, that I should be payed! Hmmmm....perhaps a new career possibility is opening up for me.

does that also mean that my two pastor friends who are doing the work of the Lord for free are getting jyped? I better alert them then.:laugh:

 

[Havensdad]

By that reasoning, every time I go out proclaiming the gospel, that I should be payed! Hmmmm....perhaps a new career possibility is opening up for me.

does that also mean that my two pastor friends who are doing the work of the Lord for free are getting jyped? I better alert them then.:laugh:

So, you deny scripture, then. It says that the Lord COMMANDS it. Do you not take the Lord's commands seriously?

BTW, I though you were done? LOL.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So, you deny scripture, then. It says that the Lord COMMANDS it. Do you not take the Lord's commands seriously?

BTW, I though you were done? LOL.

My momma always said .....son, (thats what she called me) ... Son, either you know something or you dont know it, dont guess. I learned that clear enough when I was behind cover & gettin shot at & I asked my partner who was with me if the SOB shooting at us had been eliminated. His response was "I Think So".....:smilewinkgrin: I remember momma & said "Son, you dont know & I aint stickin my fool head out there till you know" Ya get it?:laugh:

Now as to gettin payed for the spreading the Gospel, I get it.....thanks for the tip.:thumbs::godisgood:

I WILL ALERT THE TROOPS!!!

 

[Havensdad]

My momma always said .....son, (thats what she called me) ... Son, either you know something or you dont know it, dont guess. I learned that clear enough when I was behind cover & gettin shot at & I asked my partner who was with me if the SOB shooting at us had been eliminated. His response was "I Think So".....:smilewinkgrin: I remember momma & said "Son, you dont know & I aint stickin my fool head out there till you know" Ya get it?:laugh:

Now as to gettin payed for the spreading the Gospel, I get it.....thanks for the tip.:thumbs::godisgood:

I WILL ALERT THE TROOPS!!!

Not about getting paid. Its about being supported in order to put your full attention into gospel proclamation, rather than other pursuits. A person that puts in 40-60 hours supporting his family, cannot possible put the proper amount of preparation into sermons that take 10-15 hours of prep each, public evangelism, prayer with the sick, etc. I understand that sometimes there is no choice, but people that say pastors SHOULD be doing that, are in essence attacking the pastors family, and telling them they are just going to have to suffer....because they will.

 

[JohnnyReb]

I prefere a small backwoods church where everybody is on a first name basis. Our congregation is only around 35 people. This allows the pastor to be more involved with the people. A large church I wouldn't think a pastor could keep up with everybody. 1 man can only keep up with so many

 

[gb93433]

A friend of mine was part of an organization whose aim was to turn around churches and help them become healthy. He told me that before the interim pastor would come to the church they had to agree to do all the visitation and for all leadership to be dissolved. As time went by the pastor selected the leaders as he saw fit. The pastor would not leave until he felt the church was ready for a full time pastor. He said in most cases it worked very well and the church became healthy.

 

[gb93433]

I prefere a small backwoods church where everybody is on a first name basis. Our congregation is only around 35 people. This allows the pastor to be more involved with the people. A large church I wouldn't think a pastor could keep up with everybody. 1 man can only keep up with so many

Read Exodus 18:17-27 and notice the advice Moses was given. That is how ministry is done.

Jesus taught to make disciples. In making disciples there is room for more.