Will the Jews build a new temple in Jerusalem?

[1689Dave]

no ... and I'm not sure how that's relevant to the discussion of whether or not there'll be a 3rd Jewish temple built on Mount Moriah.

Given what I've seen of Francis ... I will not be surprised at all ... actually, I believe the pope will become the False Prophet .. . not the antichrist. If not THE False Prophet, certainly one of the 'yes men.'

Been a protestant all my born-again life ... southern baptist raised and still hold that theology (though I have seen where Baptists falter by placing our secular form of government upon the church)

You need to study this.

 

[1689Dave]

how are the dimensions incomplete?

So how do you interpret the antichrist taking the seat in the temple to declare himself to be God?

is that not a building? Does it not really happen? What?

The New Covenant began with Jesus Christ's first coming. The End referenced by Gabriel in Daniel 12 is not the year Christ was born, nor His Baptism ... nor His crucifixion ... nor His Resurrection. The End is all those things Jesus told us in Matt 24/Luke 17. This generation shall not pass before these things happen. That wasn't then but I believe it is now.

Now because, as I read somewhere, I think we are all that and a bag of chips. it's simply TIME. The appointed TIME just like Jesus' Birth was appointed and so was His death, burial ... and resurrection & ascension.

The Temple IS Jesus and the Church. Antichrist is still seated in nearly every church through his toxic doctrines people are so used to hearing they overlook them. In the NT, the Temple is Christendom.

 

[Two Wings]

Daniel ne

Daniel never said this. It was the Papacy who placed the gap in the 70 weeks.

Daniel 7:20 ... the vision interpreted about the little horn. "taller than his associates"

 

[Two Wings]

The Temple IS Jesus and the Church. Antichrist is still seated in nearly every church through his toxic doctrines people are so used to hearing they overlook them. In the NT, the Temple is Christendom.

Brother ... I totally get that Jesus is our salvation. In Christ Alone.

I also get that free will and predestination can both exist because God knows.

That I am telling about the construction of the 3rd Temple does NOT mean I believe there is any salvation in such an operation. I know there isn't. ... but the prototype is already done in UAE of the Jews, Christians and Muslims having a single campus on which to worship God --- the universalism which the False Prophet will advance from UAE's structures to the Temple Mount.

 

[1689Dave]

Daniel 7:20 ... the vision interpreted about the little horn. "taller than his associates"

Did you know Christ set up the Kingdom of God in the time of the Roman Empire? But since it was invisible that only the born-again could see, The Pharisees rejected it preferring their Premillennialism. Many so-called Christians today reject the Kingdom of God as preached by Jesus and side with the Pharisees waiting for their premillennial kingdom too.

 

[1689Dave]

Brother ... I totally get that Jesus is our salvation. In Christ Alone.

I also get that free will and predestination can both exist because God knows.

That I am telling about the construction of the 3rd Temple does NOT mean I believe there is any salvation in such an operation. I know there isn't. ... but the prototype is already done in UAE of the Jews, Christians and Muslims having a single campus on which to worship God --- the universalism which the False Prophet will advance from UAE's structures to the Temple Mount.

But, it is not the Biblical Temple. Jesus and the Church are God's temple made without hands.

 

[Two Wings]

Did you know Christ set up the Kingdom of God in the time of the Roman Empire? But since it was invisible that only the born-again could see, The Pharisees rejected it preferring their Premillennialism. Many so-called Christians today reject the Kingdom of God as preached by Jesus and side with the Pharisees waiting for their premillennial kingdom too.

So Daniel 7:20 describes what ... an institution or a person/individual.

Again with the spin-off. It's not an irrelevant to spiritual growth question, but it doesn't validate/reject the teaching of The Bible about THE antichrist.

I agree the spriit of antichrist has been present throughout history ... but there's a difference in THOSE references and the references of scripture which prophesies The Last Days ... culminating in The Day of The Lord (Dan 9:25)

 

[1689Dave]

So Daniel 7:20 describes what ... an institution or a person/individual.

Again with the spin-off. It's not an irrelevant to spiritual growth question, but it doesn't validate/reject the teaching of The Bible about THE antichrist.

I agree the spriit of antichrist has been present throughout history ... but there's a difference in THOSE references and the references of scripture which prophesies The Last Days ... culminating in The Day of The Lord (Dan 9:25)

We were in the last days since Jesus first arrived.

 

[Two Wings]

But, it is not the Biblical Temple. Jesus and the Church are God's temple made without hands.

it is the 3rd brick/mortar building of the orthodox Jews.

I understand/promote that my body and yours is the temple of the Holy Spirit and that matters infinitely more than a physical structure ... but knowing these are not mutually exclusive.

this is the difficulty I'm having with accepting the 3rd Temple. There is a LOT mentioned about this. John was told to measure it ... leave out the outer court (that's where the DOR already is)

 

[1689Dave]

So Daniel 7:20 describes what ... an institution or a person/individual.

Again with the spin-off. It's not an irrelevant to spiritual growth question, but it doesn't validate/reject the teaching of The Bible about THE antichrist.

I agree the spriit of antichrist has been present throughout history ... but there's a difference in THOSE references and the references of scripture which prophesies The Last Days ... culminating in The Day of The Lord (Dan 9:25)

Each Pope is the man of sin. They are one in purpose and doctrine.

 

[Two Wings]

Each Pope is the man of sin. They are one in purpose and doctrine.

true, but as far as I know ... they have not fit the physical description/attributes (speaking in public) of those scriptures I've already referenced. Francis certainly isn't taller ... at least as of yet has two functioning arms and eyes.

 

[1689Dave]

it is the 3rd brick/mortar building of the orthodox Jews.

I understand/promote that my body and yours is the temple of the Holy Spirit and that matters infinitely more than a physical structure ... but knowing these are not mutually exclusive.

this is the difficulty I'm having with accepting the 3rd Temple. There is a LOT mentioned about this. John was told to measure it ... leave out the outer court (that's where the DOR already is)

But they don't have the dimensions. So they must rewrite scripture to build it. Can't you see this will never be the temple? But a knock-off instead?

 

[1689Dave]

true, but as far as I know ... they have not fit the physical description/attributes (speaking in public) of those scriptures I've already referenced. Francis certainly isn't taller ... at least as of yet has two functioning arms and eyes.

You are mixing symbols with what they represent. You'll get nowhere doing this.

 

[Two Wings]

But they don't have the dimensions. So they must rewrite scripture to build it. Can't you see this will never be the temple? But a knock-off instead?

I see that they (The Jews) are going to build a structure which will be their temple and they will, for a (short) time, resume the regular sacrifices ... themselves believing Yahweh has returned to them as in the days of old.

That situation won't last very long ... and the smoke will fill the streets rather than rise to the heavens. Like the covid division, it'll probably be the strife which has the orthodox accusing the "Messianics" of the rejected sacrifices being THEIR fault.

 

[Two Wings]

You are mixing symbols with what they represent. You'll get nowhere doing this.

no doubt Holy Spirit discernment is needed for understanding of what's a symbol and what's an actual measurable event/person/thing/etc.

Peter told us why there were no Believers killed in Jerusalem during the Roman invasion of 70AD. Do you remember what that was? it wasn't symbolic. It actually happened and it did so for one very important reason. They were to know WHEN to be out of town. How did they know when to be "out of town?"

 

[1689Dave]

I see that they (The Jews) are going to build a structure which will be their temple and they will, for a (short) time, resume the regular sacrifices ... themselves believing Yahweh has returned to them as in the days of old.

That situation won't last very long ... and the smoke will fill the streets rather than rise to the heavens. Like the covid division, it'll probably be the strife which has the orthodox accusing the "Messianics" of the rejected sacrifices being THEIR fault.

SInce when are you a self-proclaimed prophet?

 

[1689Dave]

no doubt Holy Spirit discernment is needed for understanding of what's a symbol and what's an actual measurable event/person/thing/etc.

Peter told us why there were no Believers killed in Jerusalem during the Roman invasion of 70AD. Do you remember what that was? it wasn't symbolic. It actually happened and it did so for one very important reason. They were to know WHEN to be out of town.

You got this right. Congrats.

 

[Two Wings]

SInce when are you a self-proclaimed prophet?

I'm just reading my Bible, good sir, and inviting the Teacher to instruct me in His Word.

the smoke reference isn't something I just conjured-up. This is discussed in detail.

OK ... I added the specificity of the division being like covid. To my knowledge, beyond a Matt 24 reference about pestilence, covid isn't necessarily "in there."

 

[Two Wings]

You got this right. Congrats.

but why were there no followers of Jesus Christ in Jerusalem when the calendar read "70AD"

 

[1689Dave]

I'm just reading my Bible, good sir, and inviting the Teacher to instruct me in His Word.

the smoke reference isn't something I just conjured-up. This is discussed in detail.

OK ... I added the specificity of the division being like covid. To my knowledge, beyond a Matt 24 reference about pestilence, covid isn't necessarily "in there."

The problem is, you are looking for the symbols to appear instead of what they represent. You'll never see what you're looking for.