Featured Have Any Spiritual Gifts Ever "Died Out"?

Doctrine is not proved through experience; it is proved through the Word of God. Get a copy of John MacArthur's book "Charismatic Chaos" and read it. He deals with that subject extensively. Many people have wacky experiences. What does that prove. Some Charismatics claim to have gone up to heaven, then down to hell and come back again. What doctrine does that prove? What do Out of the Body experiences prove? (That they have had a good dose of an anesthetic). People have experienced seeing demons. People experience all kind of things. Experiences don't verify the Bible. They don't teach doctrine.

If you were not taught the Bible correctly, or the whole Bible then whose fault is that? Go to a church that expounds the Word of God properly! That preaches against ecumenism and the Charismatic movement, and why.

You were gullible and embraced heresy, and told why you should embrace this heresy. The majority of J.W.'s have a Baptistic background, but are not grounded in the Word of God. They were like you.

There is no personal attack.
You claim things. You say you can do things. Then you are challenged, and you can't do them.
Here is a similar incident.
Charles Taze Russel was in court on charges of fraud.
He had told various people that he could read the NT in Greek.
This was in Canada. Upon swearing to uphold the truth and nothing but the truth, a Greek NT was placed in front of him. He was asked to read it aloud. He couldn't do what he claimed to be able to do. He was almost deported from Canada just on that charge alone. He was a fraud in the eyes of the other religious leaders of the community and declared publicly to be one.
This is the leader of the J.W.'s.
You are in the same boat. You are claiming to do things that you cannot do. If we had the same kind of people in our generation as we did in his generation they would take you to court and tell you to prove it. You would be told to demonstrate your claims of miracles and healings and abilities to speak in other languages. If you could not you would be charged with fraud. Everyone in the community would look upon you as a charlatan. Give me one good reason why they shouldn't do that right now? Why do you claim things you cannot do?

 

Does the Bible forbid you from experiencing God talking to you out of a burning bush, walking on water, turning water into wine? Then do it.

Then why didn't you ask questions then and there. Don't blame the church. Blame yourself.

That is the problem of "digging it out for yourself." What did you do? Go to a Charismatic internet site? Instead of listening to a sound Bible teacher or pastor, like the Lord gave to the churches, you were misled. The Lord gave us pastors and teachers for a reason. But you went out on your own and led yourself into heresy.

I never called you a liar.
I gave you a parallel example with Charles Taze Russel. He was charged with fraud for claiming to do things he could not do--just like you do.
You claim the gifts of the Spirit are operative today but can produce no evidence. That is fraud. It is just as bad as what Russel did? Why shouldn't you receive the same sentence?

 

No he doesn't. He said (in the context of the passage), that they would follow the Apostles. But if you really think they follow you then don't be afraid to pick up your Draino and swallow it, for the promise is that no poisonous substance will harm you. Right?

It certainly seems that way. "My church didn't teach these things."
That is blame.

1. God does not teach the heresy you believe in. So I don't believe you went straight to God. He doesn't lead in that manner. The Holy Spirit would not lead you to those beliefs.
2. Therefore you got those beliefs from somewhere else; from some other influence. Admit it. Even Hindus, Hatian Voodoos, Mormons, and other pagan religions speak in tongues. They originate in paganism. Why would you think that a pagan practice is a Christian practice? And why would you think that God led you that way?

The heart of debate is to challenge one's beliefs. If you don't like it go down in the Other discussions forum where they talk about the weather, and fixing up their home, and grooming their pets, etc. Here we talk about doctrine, and one's beliefs or doctrines are challenged. Put on a thicker skin and be prepared to have your beliefs challenged.

Your walk was not challenged. Your beliefs were.
You have no evidence for those beliefs just as Charles Russel had no evidence for what he claims. Why shouldn't you receive the same condemnation?

 

do you hold then that God knew His church was going wayward from the power of pentacost soon after the Apostolic Age ended, and though he wanted the church to keep on doing all those things it did in Acts, he was powerless to do anything about it until 1905?

that He NEVER told that truth to calvin, Luthor, any of the past teachers, but gave that revealtion truth to a remnant group in 1905?

Your God seems to be either weak, or petty, for he let his church drift away, knowing all the time that he couuld step and give them the "real deal!"

 

was the reason God could not make the church 'right again" due to unbelief for 1900 yaers, or satan stopping Him, or?

 

Show me one church service in the NT where any of this occurred.

 

Show me where Paul said they were quenching the Spirit.

 

The Holy Spirit of God is no commodity at the convenience of everyone who snaps fingers for his service.

If the Holy Spirit not with Power declares whom He will "for obedience to the Faith", what power does He have, but instead is delivered over to the liking or dislike of anyone!

 

The work of the Holy Spirit has always been SINGLE: TO WITNESS OF CHRIST AND NOT OF HIMSELF!

And that has always been the Holy Spirit's SOLE 'duty'; God expects nothing besides of Him. The Church has NO CLAIM ON THE HOLY SPIRIT; MUCH LESS ANY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL.

 

A.T. Robertson, A Greek scholar said

IOW, the "they" refers to the Apostles.

People's NT Commentary says:

I haven't said anything untruthful. You have blamed your church. I can give you exact quotes if you like.

I am not the one in unbelief. That is a false accusation.
I believe you are in doctrinal error. That is my belief.
I don't believe God leads one into Hinduism.
I don't believe God leads one into Islam.
I don't believe God leads one into the ungodly error of the Charismatic movement. In your unbelief of what the Bible teaches on spiritual gifts you have rejected the truth of the living God.

God does not lead one into Mormonism, Hinduism, Spiritism or into the Charismatic movement. It just doesn't happen. God does not lead one into gross error. Don't blame God for doctrinal error.

You Charismatic beliefs have been challenged over and over again.
You have no answer. Your failure is as great as the failure of Charles Taze Russel. Why should you not receive just as great condemnation? You cannot prove your position Biblically. I stand on Jesus Christ the solid rock.
The ground you stand on is sinking sand. It is called experience.

You have not posted evidence of the sign of the gifts that I have mentioned. The one time evidence (so-called) that you have given is that in the past you have laid hands on some one and saw them healed. So? Most of us have seen answers to prayer in our lifetime, in fact many of them. That is what that was--an answer to prayer.
The gift of healing, and I emphasize the word GIFT, is demonstrated by Peter in Acts 5:16 when he healed all that came to him--everyone. And there were thousands of them.

Secondly the gift of miracles. Where is the evidence of that being practiced today.

Third, the Biblical gift of miracles--speaking in actual known languages--foreign languages known to others miraculously given to the speaker. Do you have that gift? Can you go to a foreign language and speak the language without ever studying it?

Where is the evidence?

 

See, that is presumptive and arrogant in the extreme.

So, you only experience the HS on Sunday and Wednesday. That's rather limiting, wouldn't you say? I experience the HS everyday, but not through some made-up unknown "language".