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We had a great Thanksgiving. Our only son got married in May for the first time at 42, marrying a lovely German lady a little younger, a teacher in our school. Now they are expecting a little girl. So we had our first Thanksgiving Day with our new family, and it was wonderful!

"Post-trib" is the rapture and/or Second Coming after the Tribulation. "Pre-wrath" is the rapture occurring partway through the tribulation but after the judgments of the seven seals, which are said to be Satan's, not God's.

1 Thessalonians 4, "16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in...

I just have a few minutes. I believe I did tell you once in the thread that I believe the Olivet Discourse is about the 2nd coming in power and glory. And the Rapture is not in view in the discourse. It is not taught there. The word "after" in Greek means just what it does in English, so what I...

My family held to historical premillennialism, and were not dispensationalists. I'm may be the first in my extended family to go the dispensational route, and I wasn't convinced about it until my 30s. It's called "historical premillennialism" because it was the position of almost all of the...

Oops. The OP is about the timing of the Rapture, and the other thread was about Progressive Dispensationalism.

Thanks for sharing. I haven't addressed these subjects much in the thread because I feel to go too far in that direction would sidetrack the thread, which has an OP about Progressive Dispensationalism.

I agree. And here is a parallel. Some would say that the 7 mountains of Revelation 17:9 are symbolic. However, any first century dweller of the Roman Empire would immediately recognize this as literal reference to the famous Seven Hills of Rome: Aventine, Caelian, Capitoline, Esquiline...

For those interested in exactly what a dispensation is in the theology, rather than taisto's misapprehensions, here is his link: What is Dispensation? Bible Definition and Scripture References. Look down the page to the definition given from the original 1915 ISBE Bible encyclopedia, and you'll...

To follow up on my previous post about the meaning of a dispensation, I'll continue with why dispensational premillennialism is pretribulational. In Dispensationalism, every dispensation (stewardship given to Mankind) has a command to all humans, Mankind's failure, and then judgment from God...

No, you did not provide me with the meaning the word has in dispensationalism. You provided me with "a meaning," not the right one. Meaning must be determined by context. Any interpreter must know that. If you had simply looked further down the page on the link you gave for your mistaken...

Thanks for sharing. We will agree to disagree. You will never convince me that the 1000 in Rev. 20 is symbolic. It is not presented as symbolic in the text, but as real. And the early church (first three centuries) until Augustine, who followed Origen in allegorizing interpretation, were all...

Mainly you, since you could not give the meaning in dispensationalism of the term "dispensation." (Which, by the way, is the meaning of the word in Eph. 1:10.) And how many decades has it been since you read Chafer? In Ryrie's taxonomy, what kind of dispensationalist was he?

It does not matter in the slightest what I think of amil people on the BB, or what modern evangelicals are amil. What I stated is a fact of history: many liberals and Catholics are amil. Period. You may not like this, but you can't change history. What this very obviously means is that one...

For taisto and others completely ignorant of dispensationalism, here are some definitions of the word "dispensation" (which in the theology is not "an orderly arrangement" or a period of time): The Greek word is oikonomia (οἰκονομία), which occurs three times as “stewardship” in Luke 16:1-4...

This article further says, "As to the precise character of this spiritual rule of Christ, AMs differ." Thus, this doctrine is not a mainstay of the amil position, as you say. Great. So Hoekema holds to it. One author does not make this doctrine a mainstay of amil theology. Furthermore, there...

Canadyjd, please give more information about this. Where do you get the idea that only the beheaded will reign with Christ for 1000 years? Of course it is from Rev. 20. I'm asking, why only the beheaded ones? And why in Heaven and not on the earth? What will happen on the earth at that time...

Another personal attack? Really? :( P. S. And no, that is not a basic component of covenant theology. You're welcome to try to prove it is, but not with your opinion, though you've been giving plenty of those. Give me a quote from covenant theologian.

No. That meaning has little to do with dispensationalism. I see you don't know the meaning used by dispensationalists, which is based on the lexical definition of the Greek word οἰκονομία (oikonomia), and how it is used in Scripture. The Greek word is translated "dispensation" four times in the...

Wow. That's a huge leap. Yes, I teach theology, but never claimed to be a know-it-all. :rolleyes: