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  1. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    The idea that they had already been fulfilled had never occurred to me until around 15 years ago. However, I was willing to look into the claims of Preterism. If I had been as good a student of history as you are, I would have known about the Jewish Wars and the destruction of Jerusalem in AD...
  2. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    Rather than re-hash all the points again, I will just suggest that you pray and closely study Biblical prophecy. I mean REALLY study, without wearing your preconceived "Futurist" glasses that insist everything be interpreted literally and you can change the meaning of "time indicator" words and...
  3. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    I suggest that one should not take such a "hard stand" that these events must be in our future that you overlook even considering the evidence that they were fulfilled in the past. I'm open to that idea as long as you are just as open to the possibility that these events were fulfilled in the...
  4. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    Thank you for your input, Brother. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you are suggesting that we look for elements of truth in both views. That could be a problem, because these views are opposed to each other, and I don't believe they will have a double fulfillment. While @robycop3 and I...
  5. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    That's one of your favorite defenses, but it really isn't true. History and Scripture prove Preterism. The only safety net for Futurism is that we can't "disprove" something that is supposedly in our future. It's just as much fantasy as Star Trek. Entertaining, but fictitious. Quite the...
  6. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    Keeping in mind that most of Revelation is a vision, why do you insist that symbolic "pictures" are to be taken literally? To turn this around, why do you believe Darby, Scofield, Missler, et al? Those who teach the "Futurist" view change the meaning of what Jesus and the prophets said. You...
  7. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    Or our impasse will continue until you accept the undeniable facts that have been presented that prove Preterism. "The land" wouldn't make sense unless it referred to specific land - i.e., the Roman Empire or Israel. As an honorable man of God, you would never state something you just made up...
  8. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    Agreed. However, that doesn't change the fact that AD 70 was judgement on Israel that brought about the end of the old covenant. Each of us have posted things to prove our case many times, and neither of us is going to budge. Clearly, we are at an impasse. In Daniel 12:11, the AOD could be...
  9. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    Rev 11:15 doesn't say "1,000 years". However, I think you could be right. They do both seem to describe the kingdom of God, which will last forever.
  10. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    If I may ask, how do you see the Preterist view as denial of the millennium? I have never denied the reality of the millennium, but I don't believe it's a literal thousand years either. What would be the purpose of a rebuilt temple and bringing back circumcision and animal sacrifices? One...
  11. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    You are partly right. The "end" was the end of the Old Covenant age. The Sanhedrin and the priesthood needed the blessings of the Roman civil government to persecute and execute their enemies. For the umpteenth time, you have never proven that Nero was not the beast. Just because you believe...
  12. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    As they say, we will have to agree to disagree.
  13. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    In the sense that Jesus described it, yes. The gospel was preached throughout the "world" (or land) of the Roman Empire. Obviously the gospel hasn't been preached throughout the entire world yet. Since that happened, it's easy to see how the rest of the Olivet Discourse also came to pass in...
  14. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    Who Jesus died for is not in question. The question is "the end of what?" You are assuming this points to the end of the world, but Jesus didn't say that. I believe He refers to the end of the Old Covenant system. To the contrary, it makes perfect sense. When Paul wrote to the...
  15. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    You are mistaken, sir. Just as today's politics always pit those in power against each other, Claudius could easily have been the restrainer. It makes a lot more sense than your futurist fairy tales. Of course Jesus said "Let the reader understand". You are confused about what Jesus was...
  16. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    Obviously the gospel has not literally been preached to the entire world. To clear up this conundrum, go to the original Greek. The Greek word Jesus used was "oikumene", a word meaning "the land". This was the same word used when Caesar Augustus called for a census to tax the world. Consider...
  17. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    The Man of Sin (2 Thes 2:4-5) was probably Nero. Note that in verse 7 Paul says "For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way". I know that you will argue that the Holy Spirit is the restrainer. I've heard it before...
  18. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    Jesus used "oikumene" in Matthew 24:14 when He declared that the Gospel will be preached in all the world. Several NT passages confirm this prophecy came true in the first century. He also used "oikumene" in Luke 21:26. So, yes, it's totally true.
  19. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    And "futurists" accuse Preterists of not reading prophecy literally. We both recognize that Revelation is filled with things that are not meant to interpret literally. Jesus said "oikumene", not "kosmos". Therefore, He did not literally mean the whole earth. Thus, I believe what Jesus...
  20. Lodic

    The Abomination Of Desolation

    Your arguments are so weak and pathetic that it's almost laughable. A burning mountain will be thrown into the sea, turning it to blood? A third of the stars will be darkened? We can expect scorpions that will torment people for five months? (Some say that is symbolic of helicopters.) Do...
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