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  1. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    No matter how many times you repeat that these events haven't happened yet, the fact remains that Jesus said they would happen within the lifetime of the generation then living. Nothing to gauge. You are stumped by the plain words that Jesus spoke. Once Jesus physically comes, He will not...
  2. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    So, your "facts" speak for themselves, but the very words of Jesus do not? "This generation" clearly meant the generation that Jesus was speaking to. No getting around that fact. If you are interested, Gary DeMar has a great article regarding "this generation" at this link - How Should 'This...
  3. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    You have no problem changing what Jesus said???? You contradict yourself, Brother. You sometimes refer to the Jewish Wars and the destruction of Jerusalem. The Beast (Roman Empire) was in power when Christ came in judgment. It's possible that the Beast and False Prophet were cast into Hell...
  4. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    Or until you realize the truth. We could go on like this all day - actually, we have been going on this way for a couple of years. The problem with that is that Jesus did not say "the generation that see those events". You are adding words to what He said. Same question, same answer. Those...
  5. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    You don't think the Holy Spirit revealed the truths of Preterism. I don't think the Holy Spirit inspired the "Futurist" views. We are at an impasse. While you say you have posted conclusive proof that those events have not occurred, you can't get around the fact that Jesus said the generation...
  6. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    Brother, the Holy Spirit opened my eyes to the errors of the "Futurist" views of eschatology many years ago. The more I study Scripture, the more evidence I see for the past fulfillment of those events. Not long after I surrendered my life to Jesus, a friend tried his best to convert me to the...
  7. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    I was already familiar with the other possible interpretations for "generation". The context makes it clear that the 1st definition you quoted is the one Jesus meant. "A people, tribe, etc." simply doesn't make sense in the context. As far as events still going on today, Solomon tells us that...
  8. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    I really appreciate the fact that truly do argue your points with respect, and not just with me. Having said that, I must disagree, Brother. In Matthew 24:34, Jesus told His disciples "this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. When did the tribes of the earth...
  9. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    Precisely my point. This exactness included the prophecy that all those events would be fulfilled within the generation of His immediate audience. Either they were not fulfilled exactly as He said and He actually meant something else, or the events did come to pass.
  10. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    Yes. You just need to realize it's the Preterist interpretation instead of the Futurist Fantasy. You Futurists cannot provide a Biblical to refute the fact that the "time indicator" texts all point to a 1st Century fulfillment of the Great Tribulation, AOD, etc. "Soon" means soon - unless...
  11. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    His 1st Century audience saw the sign of His coming in judgment upon Jerusalem. To the contrary, there is much more evidence for an early date than there is for a late date. Rather than digress into a debate about that, I'll follow your lead. The main point is that those events have happened...
  12. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    I'm sure @kyredneck won't mind my jumping in here. Earlier I posted why I believe the "futurist" view would make Jesus a false prophet. Why do you think the Preterist view would make Him a false prophet?
  13. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    Jesus did not say that all who heard His words would see those things happen, but that their generation would see those events fulfilled. Certainly some were dead before AD 70. That doesn't affect my interpretation. I am fully aware of other Greek words that some people try to apply to the...
  14. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    Every generation from the Ascension until the return of Jesus is to carry out the Great Commission. This doesn't affect the prophecies of the Great Tribulation, Abomination of Desolation, etc.
  15. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    Hard to mis-interpret words that are so clearly spoken. Your "proof" is more like circular reasoning - it hasn't happened yet because you don't believe it's happened yet. The "great city" of Rev 17:18 is the same "great city from Rev 11:8 - Jerusalem. Rev 1:7 says "every eye will see Him...
  16. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    Not out of nowhere. I used that passage from Isaiah as an example of symbolic language when God was bringing judgment on various nations. What's your take on why Jesus said "this generation" if He meant a future generation? Why would He have told His immediate audience "you will see" these...
  17. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    The big problem with your take is that you are changing what Jesus actually said. Jesus spoke of "this generation" five other times in Matthew, and every time He meant the generation then living. So, now you want to make an exception when Jesus could have made it so clear if He meant anything...
  18. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    If that was what Jesus meant, that would have been what He said. The plain meaning of the text shows the disciples understood Jesus to mean their generation, not some future generation. Jesus often had to correct their understanding on issues, but it was not necessary here. Surely Jesus would...
  19. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    Of course the Beast has already come, since Jesus said He would come within the generation of His immediate audience. What Jesus actually said was "the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the heaven, and then all the tribes of the land will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on...
  20. Lodic

    Watch for the beast!

    In Matthew 24:34, Jesus said "this generation will not pass away until all these things take place". That would be the generation He was speaking to. "All these things" are everything He was talking about since He told them that the Temple would be destroyed. Unless we have some very old...
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