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  1. 1689Dave

    Apostles, prophets and manifestations of the Holy Spirit - Part 2

    Have you ever seen any of the Acts of the Apostles today? Where are the miracles? Who is raising the dead these days? What about the heightened levels of mental illness in those circles? Prove your position with hard evidence if it is true.
  2. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    So you don't think scripture is complete and provides more info than tongues that Paul said was deficient? That is, they gave only partial knowledge? No hope of continuing with you.
  3. 1689Dave

    Apostles, prophets and manifestations of the Holy Spirit - Part 2

    Have you studied American Pentecostalism and its ties to voodoo? Here's a start: Speaking in Tongues: Glossolalia and Stress Reduction | Dana Foundation https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Pentecostalism-Its-Roots-Slavery/dp/1500858080 Lots of discussion on the net.
  4. 1689Dave

    Apostles, prophets and manifestations of the Holy Spirit - Part 2

    If anyone trusts the bible and understands tongues and prophecy, it was a fraud. Why don't you take a "tongues" recording around and see how many different interpretations you get?
  5. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    Scripture “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Timothy 3:16–17 (KJV 1900) Tongues “For we know in part, and...
  6. 1689Dave

    Apostles, prophets and manifestations of the Holy Spirit - Part 2

    It was pure fraud. Biblical Tongues and interpretation do not work that way.
  7. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    It's a long study. But simply stated points rule out today's charismatic movement as being valid. Another point is that Paul said "we know in part" but when the perfect comes we shall see clearly, face to face". What does this mean? Tongues and prophecy only gave limited insight. But he says...
  8. 1689Dave

    Apostles, prophets and manifestations of the Holy Spirit - Part 2

    It was of divine origin, not the meaningless babbling you hear of today.
  9. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    But scripture does not support it. Trace the history of American Pentecostalism and it gets even worse.
  10. 1689Dave

    Apostles, prophets and manifestations of the Holy Spirit - Part 2

    If they spoke only to God it was not a human language. This is a dead giveaway to all such claims today.
  11. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    You are Quite Pentecostal in your interpretation.
  12. 1689Dave

    Apostles, prophets and manifestations of the Holy Spirit - Part 2

    The problem is, that tongue speakers spoke to God and not to people. So this was fraudulent. “For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.” 1 Corinthians 14:2 (KJV 1900)
  13. 1689Dave

    Apostles, prophets and manifestations of the Holy Spirit - Part 2

    One huge problem for Charismatics is the original tongues speakers knew what they were saying and were edified by it. Today's imitation tongue speakers know not what they say. How is this? Paul says the tongue speakers edified themselves. And that knowing what is said is the basis for...
  14. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    What you and Pentecostals are missing is that All Believers received the gift of the Holy Spirit just like today. But only the 12 received the baptism with signs and wonders. Only they could pass the Baptism to others through the laying on of their hands. But those recipients could not pass it...
  15. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    Jesus told the 11 they would be baptized in the Holy Spirit. Not the 120. Besides, how would anyone know what was being said if 120 started speaking? “But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this...
  16. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    "They" = the 120 before Pentecost. They = the 12 at Pentecost. Notice. “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.” Acts 2:1 (KJV 1900) Who are "they"? “And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the...
  17. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    Before Pentecost: “And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)” Acts 1:15 (KJV 1900) “And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles. At...
  18. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    If you make a fresh study, the 120 were in a different time and place. You should be able to prove this. Just stick to the word and don't assume anything.
  19. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    The main point is that Only the 12 and Apostle Paul had the baptism of the Holy Spirit which included the signs and wonders gifts. Also those few they passed it on to through their hands. You'll notice these recipients could not pass it on to others as in the case of Philip and the Samarians...
  20. 1689Dave

    Apostolic Uniqueness

    If you go beyond this, you are adding to scripture.
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