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And the rest of the context? You have to go back to vs 9 to find out who He is talking to. Deuteronomy 32:9 (KJV) For the LORD'S portion [is] his people; Jacob [is] the lot of his inheritance. Are you saying God’s people will suffer in the fires of Hades?

I think that’s worth considering. I was just finding a verse that was inconsistent with the spirit and soul being the same. If the spirit is the life breath, and the soul is the inner person, I don’t see that they need to be the same thing. But I can see your point that they seem to be referred...

That’s a fascinating story! But if Samuel was buried, then the “gods” (angels, probably), might also have been raising his physical body. It never says it was a spirit or ghost, it was just “Samuel”.

I think they’re called anarchists.

Yes, but your ellipsis removed the important context: and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains. That’s not all Sheol, is it? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Did Solomon’s spirit go to heaven, while Abraham’s soul was in Hades? Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You mean like when God made the world out of nothing? But we were talking about doctrine, and bringing a doctrine into existence is not the same as bringing a physical thing into existence. It merely requires imagination, not occultism. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes, that’s what the Pope said to Martin Luther Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

conjure - summon into action or bring into existence, often as if by magic Doesn’t require occultism. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

He’s not telling people to wait until they receive something from the Lord, he’s telling them that the remission of sins is already available, and they need to hope in the name of the Lord, and He will make them new. Are you seriously wanting to read the text the opposite of what was written?

Moses was talking about what would happen to the nation of Israel. It might also be applicable to hellfire, but that’s not the context of the passage. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’m not sure I understand. Are you saying you don’t want to engage when someone points out a flaw in your arguments, when someone disagrees with your position, or when someone suggests you are adding to scripture? I’m really just wanting to get beyond the standard narrative far enough to read...

I’ve been looking for other sources from around or before Jesus’ time, and I can’t find any. The closest was a supposed article from Josephus, that was practically a verbatim recitation if the conditions from Jesus story. But the authorship, and therefore the date, is questionable. Sent from...

I saw neither “soul” nor “spirit” mentioned in Luke 16:22. Can you show me where? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

You’ve managed to pull something out of Barnabus that he wasn’t obviously saying. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I’m sure anyone can conjure up a spiritualization to fit the bill, but then anyone could also conjure up the opposite spiritualization. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well, I guess that settles it! Since you know your view is the correct one, we can now come to you for all doctrinal questions! And to think the Apostles were so doctrinally deficient, that they had to meet together to determine what the gentile church should do. Sent from my iPhone using...

Thanks for the reply, Van. I’m wondering if even the spirit/soul part has been given too much attention. Your reference to Luke 16 is the main place people go to for support for it, but doesn’t mention the soul at all. In fact, it describes 2 results of death—burial and no burial. It describes...

Thanks, Wesley, for jumping into the discussion! That is a very good summary of the current christian view on death. We've addressed some of those passages, and I'm not finding them convincing. Here's where I have a problem: those trying to explain the different types of death always start with...

Of course you can’t. All you can do is present evidence for your position. If you present more and better evidence for your position than I can for mine, then you have done your best. If, however, I present more and better evidence than you can, then you should at least take a look at my...