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  1. steaver

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    Is there a bible verse that spells out PLAINLY and CLEARLY that The Church is the Final and Only authority?I
  2. steaver

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    Let me RE-WRITE this one for you. For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of THE CHURCH, ye received it not as the word of THE CHURCH, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe...
  3. steaver

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    1Th 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
  4. steaver

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    Has nothing to do with this debate. The Apostle's letters existed prior to any bible being composed of them. Anytime the Apostles taught doctrine it was accepted that what they taught was the word of God.
  5. steaver

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    If Scripture is not the Final Authority then how would any verse convince you? It wouldn't, would it? Just like when I tried to convince you from Scripture how a person who rejected Jesus Christ as the Son of God would be condemned to hell and you simply rejected the scripture. You have bought...
  6. steaver

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    Yes, I am looking at the written word which YOU gave as support for your belief. Are you saying Jesus personally spoke this belief to you?
  7. steaver

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    Well that sure is from left field. Nothing like avoiding my point.
  8. steaver

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    Where do you even find the term "Church" in the scripture you posted? Or even a hint it is speaking of the "Church". You would need some more support from more scripture.
  9. steaver

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    Isn't Scripture what God has said? Wouldn't what God has said be the Final Authority?
  10. steaver

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    And that is Scripture being the Final Authority. Yeah, we agree!
  11. steaver

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    Are you serious? Are all Catholics ignorant of the NT claiming divine inspiration? This is very puzzling. Let's take a look. Are the Apostle's claiming to be preaching "the word of God"?? Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were...
  12. steaver

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    If we have the Word of God and the Catholic Church agrees we have the Word of God, then explain again how the Word of God cannot be any sort of Final Authority?
  13. steaver

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    So you agree scripture is TRUE and God breathed, but you believe there must be another Final Authority besides God Himself?
  14. steaver

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    Yes, God my friend. God is THE REAL AUTHORITY. ;)
  15. steaver

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    Challenge right back at you. ;)
  16. steaver

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    Not sure what you are speaking of, I don't think I have any problem with scriptural sacraments.
  17. steaver

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    You seem to believe the only reason someone believes the 66 books of the bible are inspired is because someone told them to believe it. Where is the Holy Spirit/God in your formula?
  18. steaver

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    How do I know what Jesus' life looked like?
  19. steaver

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    I cannot teach you which writings are inspired, that is the work of the Holy Spirit alone. I can only point you towards what the testimonies concerning Jesus Christ had to say about this subject. Jesus had said to His disciples.... Jhn 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the...
  20. steaver

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    1Th 5:27 "I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren." Why Paul? Why do i have to read it to them? Can't I just tell them what I believe you are saying? Why do they need to have it read to them? Why the serious charge by the Lord? They don't have any need to...
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