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Looks like what you like to say..."you quoting you". Place my quote with your claims please.

My post you opened with says nothing about the OSAS topic. It does however deal with salvation as a gift through faith verses being a reward of self merit (commandment keeping). How about you deal with this before we go to OSAS. First, you have to understand how one is saved or you will never...

I agree, it is! Here it is again.... The SDA answer... Keep posting! The more you post, the deeper the hole you dig. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" (Eph 2) Could God have said that any clearer? Therefore any Scripture which is...

There you have it Catholics. According to SDA teaching, You are not on the path of salvation. This is why Bob could never give up SDA Sabbath keeping, it is his work, of himself, the SDA path of salvation. Contrast this self work with the Word of God, which ironically, the SDA is rejecting...

Bob's answer is..... And there you have it. This is why we fight the good fight against organizations which teach and preach against the grace and forgiveness of sins that is given only through faith in Jesus Christ. My wife always says to me "why do you argue with those people, you are not...

The original thread closed at a point where our SDA Bob Ryan was being pressed against the ropes to give an answer concerning SDA Sabbath keeping. He made a few attempts to deflect answering by posting rabbit trials hoping I would chase after them, but I will give him another chance here to...

In your own mind. This shows even though you are clearly proven wrong on a point you opt to cling to your example rather than humble yourself and try again with something that would actually make sense. But I am sure you searched and searched for a scenario that would work and this was the best...

Scripture never contradicts Scripture. James speaks of those who know what is right and do not do it. Proverbs speaks of those who think they are doing right but are wrong and are lost. A perfect example of James 4:17. Has nothing to do with your example of the Catholic doing something out of...

The problem is, you cite James 4:17 as your support for the Catholic NOT knowing what is right when James is speaking about the one who DOES know to do right.... "to him that knows to do right and does it not - to him it is sin". James 4:17 A word from God that your Catholic scenario would fit...

So you are saying these Catholics are bowing down to graven images and they don't know that is sin? So therefore they will not be lost for not keeping the commandments of God because they don't know God said do not do this?

Bob, I said, You replied, Post #82 Now either you misspoke or you are confused about your SDA beliefs?

And you replied.... Ok, it is sin. Now back to the topic....You said the Catholic which rebels against the commandments of God is not lost. Then you quote scripture which says the saints keep the commandments of God when I asked about salvation. Either you are confused or misspoke. Which way...

Are you saying this is what you believe or what SDAs believe?

Although you avoid answering a simple yes or no, your answer is nevertheless very telling. I see you fear that not following the SDA doctrines is viewed by God as rebellion and thus as you say "not for salvation". This is what I thought was going on with the SDA culture. Now you show confusion...

I am trying to see if we do actually differ on the point of "non essential for salvation". You keep letting off the "for salvation" part. Are you doing this for some deceptive purpose? It is a simple yes or no question. Is observing the Sabbath as SDA sees this or abstaining from certain meats...

So do I and all Baptist. The non essentials I asked you about was for salvation. Certainly you do not believe selling all you have and giving it to the poor is an essential for salvation, or do you?

Now wait a minute. i asked you to give me the essentials to salvation IN YOUR OWN WORDS and you responded with... "Under the "one Gospel" Gal 1:6-9 of the "New Covenant" Jeremiah 31:31-33 we are saved by grace through faith and have the new birth and the Law written on the heart - as well as...

Great! Then all the SDA practices apart from this is non essentials and just preferences.

In the two cases you mentioned already past, ONLY the TRUE BELIEVERS accepted Noah's and John's messages. It would follow then that you believe ONLY those who accept SDA versions concerning Rev 14 are the TRUE believers. Correct?

No Bob, this is a board to give your views in your own words, you may give references, but just answer my question in your words. I gave you an example... "What I mean by "essentials" is the must do's or not do's in order to receive salvation. For example would keeping Saturday Sabbath be an...