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That's exactly right. Why are we talking to a man who thinks GOD CAN SIN? I don't know why we keep trying.

Non sequitur. Why do you think that love being a command means that love is a choice? And, BTW, the point of this thread was never that there is NO KIND OF LOVE which has choice. The point has been that the GREATEST kind of love is without choice. Do you think, like Winman does, that...

Again, the concept of immediate and ultimate is too deep for Winamn. You;re wasting your time trying to explain to him that God, like us, has immediate and ultimate wills. He can't think past one will at a time. He is unable to grasp that a person can will something and at the same time...

I rest my case. He thinks because regeneration means to be made alive again that it means to be saved. He can't get it. He is incapable of letting terms stand on their own. It is too complicated for him.

now you are saying what we have been saying. You said love IS action. We said love reveals itself in action. Now you are saying what we have been trying to tell you.

I rest my case. You are blinded by venomous hatred. There is no point in any of us talking to you anymore. We are just feeding the troll.

Exactly. He fails to realize that he is arguing FOR love that precedes actions with his own illustrations. Your point is the point. Actions grow out of love. They are not love itself. But Arminians are hamstrung by their propensity to conflate terms. They think faith is the same thing as...

You're so oblivious you don't even know that you just made my point for me.

You could not have missed the meaning of those passages any worse than you did here. Love manifests itself in action. It is not synonymous to action. The VERY POINT of the I Corinthians 13 passage is that love is NOT actions (giving your body to be burned, etc...) You can have all the...

You are a very bitter man, Winman. It boils inside you that Convicted complimented my post. You can't stand it. You had to insult him for it. You have some very severe issues, Winman.

Let's say you were a lot stronger, more durable and faster than me. You COULD whip me in a fight. But, since I have not given you just cause and you are a decent person- even though you COULD, you WOULD not. Here's the thing. What that ULTIMATELY means is that you cannot. Though you...

God the Son could have sinned? Why didn't he? HE could if he would. That's the thing you keep missing. You can't if you WON'T. You could if you would but you can't if you won't. He COULD pray and be delivered from the Father's will if he WOULD pray and be delivered from the...

You still haven't answered my question. How does that passage teach that God the Son had the real ability to commit the worst sin imaginable- to NOT love God?

How do you think Matthew 25 teaches that God the Son could choose to stop loving God the Father?

The point is not that there is no love that CAN involve choice. The point is that the GREATEST love does not involve choice. The greatest love is that which has existed eternally between the persons of the Trinity. There was never in eternity past a CHOICE made to start loving each other...

Love requires choice. Have you ever heard that little gem? Consider... The opposite is true. The greatest love is such that it renders the will IMPOTENT. I cannot HELP but love my children. I do not CHOOSE to love them. I cannot WILL to STOP loving them. Some can will themselves to...

The opposite of what Winman claims is true. The greatest love is such that it renders IMPOTENT the will. I cannot HELP but love my children. I do not CHOOSE to love them. I cannot WILL to stop loving them. Some can will themselves to stop loving their children. And what do we say of the...

You don't get it. You are only responsible FOR something if you are responsible TO somebody. A man is responsible for murder because he is responsible to society and God. Based upon every ONE of these definitions there is some higher power to place blame on the person responsible. The...

Responsible to whom? To whom is it that God must give account for this action?

Theft, murder, fraud, speeding put OTHERS in danger. Drinking in your home does not. Smoking weed in your home does not. And I despise the idea of smoking weed. I despise the culture of it. But I am objective and intellectually honest. The fact is that we ought to want government to be...