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Don't believe everything you read on the internet, or if you do at least keep reading so as to get both sides of the story. Harris writes a good book on virtually the same subject but from a positive view point of Tozer's mysticism (The Mystic Spirituality of A.W. Tozer, a Twentieth-Century...

There is one other difference that I hope is evident to all. :flower:

And we are no longer under the law and thus no longer do as prescribed by the OT in this regard, we agree. So, what is your point? Maybe you weren't attempting to disagree? I'm not sure??? Darn, I learned both. 1. Jesus was trying to be tricked AND 2. Grace is a better response...

Right, and we are supposed to be like him! Now you are getting it. :smilewinkgrin: And what is that premise exactly? Maybe you can restate what you THINK my premise is and explain what is 'silly' about it. I look forward to your answer.

Again, you are avoiding the question being posed. Did I ever say that they knew about Calvinism (though certainly some do), or did I say they didn't love sin? Did I say they wouldn't know why they are in hell or that they would still hate God while in hell? And why are you talking about...

So, you think it would have been ok to stone them had they both been brought out for judgement? Why doesn't the church still stone adulterers then? :confused:

Hopefully my last post to Icon will help, but feel free to ask if not...

Michael, with all due respect, you keep telling him you don't want to have anymore to do with him and then you keep right on responding as if he is the only one on the board. Let it go brother. I have two words for you: Ignore list.

Exactly. That is the point. Its not that the OT is disregarded or dismissed, but that the NT takes priority and provides clarity as to God's intent in his methods of revelation in the OT. We don't understand mercy without Law. We can't grasp what Christ did in the NT unless the...

It's like this. 1. Bob is sitting on the street and doesn't know of God or his desires. 2. Peter walks up and teaches him the gospel. 3. Bob now understands God's desire for him to repent and believe and is without any excuse for not accepting it. If you say Bob didn't understand the...

Many of God's saints did worse. What he did has nothing to do with it. After all, they were chosen before doing anything good or evil, right? Surely you don't need a scripture reference for that. It is all very clear. :laugh:

Did I say that was the reason? So do you and I. Did I ever deny that? You guys are avoiding the question because I think you know the answer. You can't blame them for hating a God who first hated them. Just like you can't credit a man for loving a God who is first loved by God, you can't...

The law was for people (not Christ) to stone adulterers, so by this reasoning it would have also been lawful for the sinful men to have stoned her, right? What if Christ hadn't been there and they had stoned her, would that have been wrong? What does this story tell us about the nature of...

jbh, Even if I concede the point that Paul may have been speaking of lost people, it doesn't change that he is addressing 'the deep things of God' (vs. 10), not the clearly revealed gospel. The teachings of the gospel was once a mystery, but what did God do to make those mysteries known? He...

Whoa there fella. I simply asked you a question. I never even suggested men are born sinless. I simply asked you to explain the nature of Lydia prior to God's opening of her eyes since the scripture describes her as one who worshipped the Lord? That is all. Can you explain that?

Which post? I missed it.

Icon, I'm not questioning the judgement of God, I'm questing the claims of Calvinism and asking the question if you can really blame people for hating a God who hates them so much He has predetermined to torture them for all eternity? Tell me you wouldn't hate Him too if you were non-elect.

Again, this begs the question that your view properly represents God, the very point up for debate. Again, the LOWEST form of debate. We all know you think you know God better than us but continually pointing that out doesn't serve the purpose of an actual debate of the issues. Of course I...

I don't like your false application, true. But I love the truth of Paul's actual intent. Esau represents all those of Israel who weren't chosen for a noble purposes in God's redemptive plan for humanity. Paul, an Israelite, was chosen for a noble purpose, just like Jacob was chosen for the...

That is not what 1 Cor. 2:14 says. It says that the natural man cannot understand the deep mysteries of the Spirit unless the Spirit chooses to make those mysteries clear. The Spirit does make the gospel clear to all people by inspiring writers, like Paul, who is writing under inspiration of...