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It's becoming more and more common around here for people to make undocumented or unsupported comments. If I've said something that YOU THINK misrepresents something then quote what I've said and then show where I'm in error. I do that every time I make an accusation such as this about others...

I think the problem is the differing definitions of 'atonement.' Some understand it to be satisfaction of divine justice for the breaking of his law, while others equate it with salvation. Some (Hodge, Shedd etc) argued that just because Christ has satisfied divine justice once and for all...

:thumbsup: I agree, but when someone proves HOW they are always going to act then its time to put them on the ignore list and move on... IMO. I love discussing these doctrines with those who disagree, why else would I come back? But when someone proves to be unable or unwilling to actual...

I live in the country and I have a rule for the kids. Don't feed the strays. When you don't feed them they go away. :)

1. The strongest points of one's argument are not typically reflected in the portion that his opponents address, but in the portions ignored. He addressed a very small portion of that entire post reflecting his inability or unwillingness to deal with the actual arguments, which is one reason...

With all due respect, I don't care if you don't think it follows, it is what the Hodges and Shedd are arguing. That is MY point and it is being made to show that one can hold to THIS form of atonement without being deemed a Universalist. What does the statement, "No one perishes for lack...

Some here need to understand there has been some disagreement on this particular question within the Reformed tradition: [In his book,] "The Sovereignty of God," by A. W. Pink. Pink wrote, "God loves whom He chooses. He does not love everybody." He further argued that the word world in John...

The choice of Jacob over Esau is being compared to God's perceived choice to save one individual (elect) over another (reprobate). But may I suggest for consideration that the choice is more likely compared to God's choice of Paul over Gamaliel (his Rabbi - or some other random unknown Pharisee...

I've spoken to a Jewish man who speaks original Aramaic about this passage and he laughed at how Calvinists interpret it. He said that those who understand the original language and the usage of the word "hate: in context with his elective choice would NEVER come to this conclusion. I agree...

JonC, You need also to be aware that there are also different ways that Calvinists handle this issue. Some argue that Christ died ONLY for the elect in that he paid just so much for so many. For these, to suggest that Christ's blood paid for the sins of the world suggests that his blood...

:thumbsup: Well stated Winman.

I don't 'assert' it is a mystery, IT IS a mystery because scripture doesn't tell us the answer. The scriptures don't teach compatibilistic conclusions, those are speculations based on the philosophical and logical reasoning of finite creatures. The error is drawing hard and fast conclusions...

Again, an accusation without documentation. Put up or hush up. :) And go ahead and admit you were incorrect about accusing me of not properly representing your view as clearly JI Packer and many others DO in fact understand that Calvinism (compatibilism) does support theistic determinism and...

Kind of like, uh, proof texting? It's like the old joke my hermeneutics prof told me, you can make people believe suicide is the right answer by that method: 1. Judas hung himself 2. Go and do likewise 3. What thou doeth, doeth quickly See, it doesn't always work. :) Even if they...

Seriously? Are you denying that someone must believe in order to be saved?

I didn't say the chooser created himself. I said the chooser makes choices, just as the creator designed him with the ability to do. That is absurd and not even worthy of a response. :rolleyes:

Where does this say men can't believe the Gospel appeal? We all agree that no everyone has faith in God. Where does this say men can't believe the Gospel appeal? And again, where does this say men can't believe the Gospel appeal? It says God has given for them to believe, not that they...

GLF, Just in case that is not enough support to convince you, here is JI Packer: Question: "What is compatibilism?" Answer: Compatibilism is an attempt to reconcile the theological proposition that every event is causally determined, ordained, and/or decreed by God (i.e., determinism, not to...

Depends on who you talk to and how they understand Theistic Determinism. I believe you have defended the compatiblistic claims on this forum before, right? Well according to Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy here is the definition: Compatibilism is the belief that free will and determinism...

No more so than a Calvinists knows why God freely chose to save them and not someone else instead. Choosers make choices. They are self-determined. To ask why one chose A instead of B presumes something outside themselves did the choosing. There may be influential factors from the outside...