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My answer is quite simple. You asked, "Do you believe that a person can resist the convicting power of God’s grace?" I simply showed you that the gospel is powerful, gracious and brings conviction, but not irresistibly so, thus proving the answer is 'Yes.' Secondly, I simply showed that your...

Depends. Do you believe the gospel is powerful enough to bring conviction? Do you believe the gospel appeal is gracious? Do you believe the Holy Spirit inspired, preserved and carries the gospel through Holy Spirit indwelled messengers? If you answered "yes" to these questions then you have...

So, by that logic I suppose everyone who has error in their doctrinal beliefs is not really saved because clearly not all of us are hearing the 'same voice?' Is that your point? We agree on this point, we just disagree regarding the effectuality of the means God uses to seek and enable mankind...

And what means does God use to draw/enable them? Biblical Answer: "The Gospel is the POWER of God unto Salvation"..."faith comes by hearing"... "how will they know unless someone tells them?"... "Go into all the world making disciples"... "You will be my witnesses in all the world"... "You...

I appreciate that. I've been reading some of the early church father recently and it is very interesting...very different... Well, Calvinism is very 'deterministic' at its root. That is just factual. Even compatibilism, the 'milder' form, is the belief that determinism is compatible with...

Well, yeah, unless its not true of him... Maybe he isn't elect and I tell him that. Then I've lied to him.

That along with God's predetermined, unchanging will to grant us whatever grace is needed to understand the 'truths' of Calvinism. :rolleyes: Maybe Luke things his rudeness is irresistible? :smilewinkgrin:

:rolleyes: With all due respect but any doctrine made up by men and not from God is "humanistic" thus to assume your doctrine is correct and ours is false is just 'begging the question.' It is a circular immature debate fallacy and the lowest form of conversation. I freely choose not to...

Predestination as defined by Calvinists, yes. Biblical predestination, no. God predetermined that whosoever believes, whether of Abrahams seed or not, will be adopted as his sons and conformed to the image of Christ. That is the biblical doctrine of predestination and the one I love and...

This is a point worthy of consideration. Why would God NOT want some people to see the truth? We know that he hid the truth from the Jews temporarily in order to accomplish redemption for the world on the cross, but why do you suppose God is still keeping truth from most of humanity, and...

Icon, I'd like to know what you believe the difference is in "self-will" and "free-will," as I use the term 'self-will' or 'self-determination' too. Sometimes 'free' gives the impression that there are NO restrictions or limitations, which NO ONE believes in regard to mankind. (no one I know of)

Why would you think I could find a scripture which says God determined to make all men totally depraved from birth when I'm not the one who believe that claim is true? Think about it. And where did those terms/consequences say that all people would be born unable to respond to God's powerful...

Who? I'd be genuinely interested to read their perspective. Can you be more specific. What exactly is a 'strawman' and why? Thanks

Two things: 1. If your doctrine is correct I won't be able to 'talk him out of anything,' so don't worry about it. 2. If your doctrine is incorrect it could be discouraging him by causing him to believe he is not loved and chosen by God, thus driving him away and/or causing him to give up...

I only draw conclusions that scripture draws. I'm not the one speculating based upon finite linear logic as to how God determines this prior to that...yall are Quote me and then we'll talk about it otherwise I'll presume this is an unfounded strawman attack... You sound like you are talking to...

I actually told him almost that exact same thing. He is just hurting and caught in some serious addictions. The last thing he needs running through his brain right now is "God hates me." He actually said to me, "Maybe I'm just another Esau."

AMEN! There is a teenager who came from a tough home life who attended the Village church for a while in the Dallas area where he learned reformed doctrine (Matt Chandler). I counseled with him and his fear was that he wasn't elect because of all his addictions and history of problems. He...

Paul's answer reveals you don't understand near as much as you think you do... I don't deny God's omniscience, I just refuse to draw conclusions about our infinite God based on my finite understanding, especially conclusions which clearly contradict scripture's teaching about the Holiness of our...

Calvinists believe election is unconditional, not salvation. We all affirm: "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Whether that happens because someone is effectually caused to believe or not, it...

If you really wanted to know the answer that scholarly Arminians would give you, then you would have answered my post, but clearly you'd rather stick to your pat answers...