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This quote is about effectual calling not limited atonement, which is the point we are discussing. There is nothing in the quote that contradicts or ever addresses the point of distinction that I have drawn. Plus, the point I was making is from an article written by respected Calvinistic...

No, actually, I just request that you provide the context and the argument showing that what I've claimed is inconsistent. I WELCOME you to look at ALL the quotes from these Calvinistic scholars that I've presented and show how they are not supporting my claims contextually. I would LOVE...

Once again, Calvinists of old (16th/17th century) didn't exactly use the terms 'limited' and 'universal' in regard to the atonement in a way represented by modern Calvinists...(nor did their opponents of that time). As I brought up, the issue was more concerning the ‘satisfaction’ made by Christ...

Yet, that very argument is rejected by many Calvinistic scholars. As Calvinistic scholar, Richard Muller, explains, "Thus, both Calvin and Bullinger taught that Christ’s work made full and perfect satisfaction for all, both commended the universal preaching of the Gospel, both taught the...

I agree with John Calvin when he wrote: And when he says, the sin OF THE WORLD, He extends this favour indiscriminately to the whole human race; that the Jews might not think that He had been sent to them alone. But hence we infer that the whole world is involved in the same condemnation; and...

Yet, some of the quotes I've provided show that SOME scholarly and widely respected Calvinists do say that God did die for all man in the sense that the work of Christ perfectly satisfied the demands of justice for all mankind. How many quotes must I provided to prove this point? Do you...

P4T, Your post doesn't seem to make any sense. You will need to expound. Before you seemed to imply that my view that faith was a gift somehow contradicted my view that faith was the only thing preventing ones being saved. I explained how that is not true by showing that a gift can be...

Again, must a gift be irresistibly applied for the giver to receive full glory for giving it? No. Well, there is your answer...

You are missing the point. I'm agreeing with you. This wickedness or "depravity" of man's nature within the Calvinistic system is certainly what prevents man's belief, but the point we are discussing is in regard to the satisfaction of justice by Christ's work on the cross. Calvin, Hodge and...

EXACTLY! Especially when one considers that was not the view of the original reformers. One, it is what the bible teaches. Two, it the basis for the genuineness of the gospel's appeal for all to be saved. Three, it speaks to God's gracious love and provision for those who rebel, thus...

Right. But why? Is it because of their unbelief alone (as Calvin claims), or is it also their lack of atonement, in that Christ didn't die to pay for their sin so that remains a legal impediment for their salvation? I don't disagree that this is the classical Reformed view, but that is not the...

How do you know what I understand or don't understand about what these scholars are saying when everything I've said is a direct quote from what they themselves have said, which noticeably you have not specifically addressed. I challenge you to go line by line through one or two of the quotes...

So, by that conclusion you believe that in the same manner God brought the crucifixion of Christ to pass He likewise brought to pass the molestation, rape and murder of Dahmer's victims. Right? Again, like I've said a dozen times, I'm trying to get you to draw any distinction between that...

R.L. Dabney, a respected Calvinistic scholar, refutes this line of reasoning when he writes: "Nor would we attach any force to the argument, that if Christ made penal satisfaction for the sins of all, justice would forbid any to be punished. To urge this argument surrenders virtually the very...

Unbelief. "As no man is excluded from calling upon God, the gate of salvation is set open to all men; neither is there any other thing which keepeth us back from entering in, save only our own unbelief." - John Calvin Even scholarly Calvinists affirm the universal nature of the satisfaction of...

Winman, you have a different view for the nature of faith, but I'll let you take it up with them...

If you really want to be a "better Calvinist" on this matter then you should study the likes of Shedd, AA Hodge, C. Hodge, Dabney and the like who (like Calvin himself) taught that the work of Christ was a perfect satisfaction for the sin of every person in that it removed all legal impediments...

Do you really believe in Jesus? Did you repent and really mean it? If you answered "yes" then, according to a Calvinist, you can KNOW you are of the elect, because otherwise you wouldn't have believed or repented. It's really that simple.

Calvinists believe that if they genuinely believe and repent then that is proof of God's election of them.

How is that inaccurate? Maybe you just don't like how your dogma sounds when put in terms that aren't sugar coated with all the cool sounding theological jargon?