Featured Calvinists, particularly one of you, prove that the following is untrue.

Wait a minute, do you seriously think brain damaged people....or children who die in infantsy.......and children who are aborted are all going to hell because they did not have the opportunity to hear the gospel? Next you will be saying that without baptism you are unsaved. Another way of looking at this Y is to ask just who really saves.....I hope you are going to say Jesus.

 

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pinoybaptist

God is in control of it.

God uses means, gospel preaching also.

So then...if what you say is true why did God send Philip to the eunuch?

Why not just send the Spirit to go to the Eunuch?

26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.

27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?

31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:

33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.

34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
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DHK

Do you ever get embarrassed by your posts?
These baseless accusations have nothing to do with the op.:laugh::laugh:

Nonsense....try quoting what I actually post...not your imagination.

That is what I said...:laugh:right here DHK-

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
--To which child of the devil does he give spiritual fruit to? Please explain? Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
--To which of these does he give spiritual gifts to?

 

pinoybaptist

You still don't get it, Icon.
God sent Jonah to Nineveh at that point of history to preach repentance to the people of Nineveh.

I quoted from Jonah to discuss how God uses means...I was clearly not speaking of repentance.....respond to what I asked...I will post it again-

PYB

none of you have responded to God's use of means in the book of Jonah.
In fact you and others were saying God is not in control of a mosquito who bites someone.....

let me refresh your memory..you said this;


respond to these verses then;
17 Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah.


And the Lord spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah

6 And the Lord God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief.

7 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered


8 And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live

DO YOU SEE HOW GOD PREPARED EVERYTHING HERE?

really?

27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

hyper Calvinism= fatalism.....you seem to embrace it, I will distance myself from it.

no...it is not correct

 

OK....so now I get it. These points of disagreement are related to discipleship and the scope of predestination, not on how God redeems His elect from their sins and secures them to eternal salvation, fatalistic hyper -Calvinistic commentary “ad hominem” is a little pathetic bit thrown in to diminish and attack the person.

 

That's an unfair comparison, EWF. Any Baptist worth their salt will tell you that Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change. Dunking someone in water contains no saving grace.

From what I've gathered, it's within the Calvinist camp that people seem to be okay with babies and other innocents going to Hell, simply because God put a "DAMNED" sticker on them instead of an "ELECT" sticker when they rolled off the great spiritual conveyor belt. People with brain damage, or infants, like in your example, have either no chance to hear the gospel or no ability to understand it, therefore they cannot call on God and they cannot work out their own salvation with fear and trembling.

Do you really believe our loving God would put these people on Earth without granting them the ability to understand His word or heed His call, and then would condemn them to Hell? What kind of a God is that?

 

correct...I am avowedly non calvinistic.....just because of......ahhhh you know what, Pinoy makes a point. Redirect this question to a Calvinist.

 

No, I know that, EWF...I was talking more about the baptism analogy. I probably let my emotions get the better of me in the moment. I've been talking to some people lately who actually think baptism is a means of salvation. Apologies for the confusion.

 

No sweat!:thumbs:

 

Of course God did. It was through Jonah's preaching that the city was spared. That certainly qualifies as a means to that end.

The catalyst is the means. There is no way to get around it.

Yes, means which the Lord has instituted for the furtherance of His Kingdom --gospel preaching is a major means.

You are going against common sense here. The preaching of the gospel is a/the means of bringing one to a saving knowledge of Christ.

 

Acts 17:30 is perfectly clear that God "now commands all people everywhere to repent." (NET)

God has the perfect right to demand/command all people everywhere to repent. There is no reprieve, no loophole, no excuse to get anyone off the hook. Each and every person is accountable. There is no amnesty plan in effect for the non-elect.

I would say that "commands" is even stronger than merely "ordering" all to repent.

 

If you believe in election, how do you suppose that the reprobate (without Gods grace) can repent?

 

It still stands as God's command.