No. What you're saying is what the Apostle stated elsewhere, that it is impossible for God to lie. Here the Apostle is saying God cannot be other than He is.
"He abideth (stays, remains, faithful), because He cannot do otherwise."
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Could Christ Have Sinned? II
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"He abideth (stays, remains, faithful), because He cannot do otherwise."
You're just saying God is corruptible.
37818
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Genesis 3:1-22. Why did Jesus then call the devil a murderer in this?
Why should the "knowledge of good abd evil" cause man to have a sinful nature, Genesis 3:22?
God has delivered a lot of sinners into the hands of the Father of lies. Your point?
SavedByGrace
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no such thing! Jesus Christ IS eternally Almighty God, pre-Incarnation and post-Incarnation. At His conception in the womb of Mary, Jesus Christ "took upon Himself the sinless Nature of a Human". He did not "receive" any knowledge about anything from His mother!
Larry the Logger
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It doesn't and I never said Adam was holy. He was born perfect and God said that was good. Do you think God created a sin nature in Adam? Genesis 1:31 says, nope.
Who said they were completely alike? However, they were both born perfect, with no old sin nature.
Because Jesus did not sin, He did not have the ability to sin but Adam who did sin was created by God with ability to sin, is flawed logic. It seems like you keep ignoring Philippians 2:6-8 and Hebrews 4:15 because your wrong conclusions about the doctrine of Christology are blinding you.
37818
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Two things, why was man having the knowledge of good and evil a problem? Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:22.
Second, the knowledge of good and evil was God's. John 1:1-3.
No, quite the opposite. Where you say God is incorruptible because of a lack of ability I say exactly the opposite- He is incorruptible because He is righteous AND omnipotent.
Larry the Logger
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Genesis 1:31 and Ezekiel 28:15 says otherwise.
I didn't say He was, although the Lord and Adam were perfect when their lives began. YOU said that the reason why men sin is because their natures are "bent" to sin. Neither Adam nor Lucifer nor the Lord had natures that were "bent" to sin. Adam was made perfect (Genesis 1:31) and Lucifer was made perfect (Ezekiel 28:15) and the humanity of Christ was begotten perfect (Luke 1:35). None of them had natures that were "bent" to sin and yet two out of three did. None of the angels were created with a "bent" to sin, yet one third of all of them did.
Aaron for what it is worth... This is an except from An Exposition Of Hebrews by A.W. Pink on Hebrews 4:15... Brother Glen
But was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin," or literally, "who has been tempted in all things according to our likeness, apart from sin" i.e. in spirit, and soul, and body. "Hewas tempted—tried, exercised— for no more doth the word impart. Whatever is the moral evil in temptation is due to the depraved intention of the tempter, or from the weakness and sin of the tempted. In itself, it is but a trial, which may have a good or bad effect. He was tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Sin may be considered as to its principle, and as to its effect. Men are tempted to sin by sin, to actual sin by habitual sin, to outward sin, by indwelling sin. And this is the greatest source of sin in us who are sinners. The apostle reminds us of the holiness and purity of Christ, that we may not imagine that He was liable unto any such temptations unto sin from within as we find ourselves liable unto, who are never free from guilt and defilement. Whatever temptation He was exposed unto or exercised withal, as He was with all and of all sorts that can come from without, they had none of them in the last degree any effect unto Him. He was absolutely in all things ‘without sin’; He neither was tempted by sin, such was the holiness of His nature; nor did His temptation produce sin, such was the perfection of His obedience" (Dr. John Owen).
But was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin," or literally, "who has been tempted in all things according to our likeness, apart from sin" i.e. in spirit, and soul, and body. "Hewas tempted—tried, exercised— for no more doth the word impart. Whatever is the moral evil in temptation is due to the depraved intention of the tempter, or from the weakness and sin of the tempted. In itself, it is but a trial, which may have a good or bad effect. He was tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Sin may be considered as to its principle, and as to its effect. Men are tempted to sin by sin, to actual sin by habitual sin, to outward sin, by indwelling sin. And this is the greatest source of sin in us who are sinners. The apostle reminds us of the holiness and purity of Christ, that we may not imagine that He was liable unto any such temptations unto sin from within as we find ourselves liable unto, who are never free from guilt and defilement. Whatever temptation He was exposed unto or exercised withal, as He was with all and of all sorts that can come from without, they had none of them in the last degree any effect unto Him. He was absolutely in all things ‘without sin’; He neither was tempted by sin, such was the holiness of His nature; nor did His temptation produce sin, such was the perfection of His obedience" (Dr. John Owen).
Larry the Logger
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No, what I'm saying is you completely miss the context of 2 Timothy 2:1-13 which is an encouragement for Timothy to endure and why he ought to endure using his example and the Lord's example. 2 Timothy 2:13 does not say that it is impossible for God to lie. 1 Kings 22:19-23 suggests that possibility exists and Ahab is sure it does.
No. It says they were created good. Not incorruptible.
That does not mean that he did not see death.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor 15:3,4
The third from / of, what?
Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. Romans 6:9
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: Phil 2:8,9
hin these last days did speak to us in a Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He did make the ages; who being the brightness of the glory, and the impress of His subsistence, bearing up also the all things by the saying of his might -- through himself having made a cleansing of our sins, < Through death ) sat down at the right hand of the greatness in the highest, < God hath highly exalted him, from Phil 2:9 and he inherited a name) having become so much better than the messengers, as he did inherit a more excellent name than they. Hebrews 1:4
What is wherefore tying together? Because, of obedience of faith, it was not possible for him to be held by it (the death) God, the Father exalted him.
Who by him <Jesus Christ Son of the Highest, born of Mary and died) do believe in God < the Father), that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 1 Peter 1:21 That is how I understand 1 Peter 1:21.
I believe Jesus never sinned yet I believe the question should be; How close did Jesus come to sinning? And I believe the answer is given here:
who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared, through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,
The obedience of what? What he came into the world to do. Die the death assigned to Adam. He feared the death.
Consider:
Looking off into the, of the faith, author and perfecter, Jesus, who, over-against the joy set before him -- did endure a cross, shame having despised, on the right hand also of the throne of God did sit down; for consider again him who endured such gainsaying from the sinners to himself, that ye may not be wearied in your souls -- being faint. Not yet unto blood did ye resist -- with the sin striving;
That was in the garden striving against sin, fearing the death, yet even the Son learned, obedience of faith, becoming obedient unto the death, even the death of the cross.
That is when, the faith, was authored and perfected.............................................................................
In Gal 3:23 and 25 speaking of before the coming of the faith and the faith having come. that is, the faith, being spoken of, the learned obedience unto death. That is the obedience ie faith by which righteousness comes to us, the righteousness of faith by the obedience of One, Jesus.
who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared, through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,
The obedience of what? What he came into the world to do. Die the death assigned to Adam. He feared the death.
Consider:
Looking off into the, of the faith, author and perfecter, Jesus, who, over-against the joy set before him -- did endure a cross, shame having despised, on the right hand also of the throne of God did sit down; for consider again him who endured such gainsaying from the sinners to himself, that ye may not be wearied in your souls -- being faint. Not yet unto blood did ye resist -- with the sin striving;
That was in the garden striving against sin, fearing the death, yet even the Son learned, obedience of faith, becoming obedient unto the death, even the death of the cross.
That is when, the faith, was authored and perfected.............................................................................
In Gal 3:23 and 25 speaking of before the coming of the faith and the faith having come. that is, the faith, being spoken of, the learned obedience unto death. That is the obedience ie faith by which righteousness comes to us, the righteousness of faith by the obedience of One, Jesus.
Larry the Logger
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Reference for Jesus being born incorruptible, please. And reread Ezekiel 28:15; find the word perfect and who created Lucifer that way.
The Word was God.
perfect doesn't mean incorruptible.
No I didn't. I said people tend to equate our bent to sinning as temptation, when it is just corruption.
People sin because they're corrupt. Not because they're tempted.
You sin everyday.
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