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Election, Predestination and Scripture
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Folks, if you think Charge-o-matic quoted 2 Thessalonians 2:13, I have a bridge for you to buy. He quoted an agenda driven rewrite.
Next he questions the truth of Matthew 19:24. The charge-o-matics must rewrite or deny verse after verse to assert their fake theology. Just read you bible folks.
Next he questions the truth of Matthew 19:24. The charge-o-matics must rewrite or deny verse after verse to assert their fake theology. Just read you bible folks.
Wholesale deflection, and loss of reality.
All they post is taint so, but devoid of any rebuttal.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 proves our election for salvation is conditional, and Matthew 19:24 proves our election is conditional. According the bogus doctrine of fake theology, it would just as easy (because everyone is compelled by irresistible grace) for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
So we get absurdity and insult.
Unconditional Election has been shown to be bogus by about a dozen verses.
All they post is taint so, but devoid of any rebuttal.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 proves our election for salvation is conditional, and Matthew 19:24 proves our election is conditional. According the bogus doctrine of fake theology, it would just as easy (because everyone is compelled by irresistible grace) for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
So we get absurdity and insult.
Unconditional Election has been shown to be bogus by about a dozen verses.
Yet another repeat of the "what condition" question when it has been answered again and again. Pure obfuscation on display.
When God credits our faith in the truth as righteousness, He saves us. God chooses people who are rich in faith and love God.
See 2 Thessalonians 2:13 (in the NASB, NKJV, NET, WEB, or HCSB.)
See James 2:5
See Romans 4:4-5; Romans 4:23-24.
Unconditional Election has been shown to be bogus by about a dozen verses.
When God credits our faith in the truth as righteousness, He saves us. God chooses people who are rich in faith and love God.
See 2 Thessalonians 2:13 (in the NASB, NKJV, NET, WEB, or HCSB.)
See James 2:5
See Romans 4:4-5; Romans 4:23-24.
Unconditional Election has been shown to be bogus by about a dozen verses.
Remember the ad - "Where is the beef?" Did you see any biblical support for unconditional election? Did you see a "change the subject" question to suggest my view is not OSAS. Disinformation on display.
Did I say salvation is dependent on an individuals faith? Nope - so yet another example of disinformation.
What did I say salvation depends on? God and God alone!
Pay no attention to these constant efforts at obfuscation.
Unconditional Election has been shown to be fake theology.
Do you see any biblical support for these bogus assertions? Neither do I.
OTOH, we are saved by grace through ... wait for it... faith!! Thus our faith precedes our salvation and (per 2 Thess. 2:13) our individual election.
Then you believe in unconditional election. If salvation is not dependent on faith, then God elects solely by His sovereign will, apart from what anyone does.
Unconditional election. Very good.
You, yourself, just made the case for unconditional election. Van, you are a two-faced person. Either it is God and God alone or it isn't. You said it is "God and God alone." That's unconditional election.
But, you claim unconditional election is a fake theology so you call yourself a liar and deny your own claim that salvation is of God and God alone.
Van, how may we help you find solid ground? You are being tossed to and fro in your own theology.
James 1:6??
I would be taking James 1:6 out of context, however. James is in regard to us asking God for wisdom and then turning around and trying to solve a problem by our own rationalizing.
The reason I asked if that verse was applicable is the being tossed to and fro, as I picture a boat being upon choppy waters.
That's Van's theology. Its on choppy waters, being tossed to and fro.
All the fake theology advocates have is absurdity. God elects individuals for salvation through faith in the truth.
If God does not credit our faith, as worthless as it may be, as righteousness, does our salvation depend on our faith? Nope.
These arguments are both irrational and absurd. And that is all they have. Just read 2 Thessalonians 2:13 (in the NASB, NKJV, WEB, LEB, NET or HCSB.)
Again, we are saved by GRACE through faith (God crediting our faith as righteousness at His sole discretion).
Pay no attention to all this obfuscation and absurd arguments. Not to mention efforts to disparage me.
Unconditional election of individuals for salvation has been shown to be bogus using about a dozen verses. So they spend their efforts disparaging me and trying to change the subject. Same ol, same ol.
If God does not credit our faith, as worthless as it may be, as righteousness, does our salvation depend on our faith? Nope.
These arguments are both irrational and absurd. And that is all they have. Just read 2 Thessalonians 2:13 (in the NASB, NKJV, WEB, LEB, NET or HCSB.)
Again, we are saved by GRACE through faith (God crediting our faith as righteousness at His sole discretion).
Pay no attention to all this obfuscation and absurd arguments. Not to mention efforts to disparage me.
Unconditional election of individuals for salvation has been shown to be bogus using about a dozen verses. So they spend their efforts disparaging me and trying to change the subject. Same ol, same ol.
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