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Hurrican looters are being shot

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Don

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You reread it. The is no sign of "eagerness" there.

If there is , point it out.
"I'd shoot them."

Indication of, "if it happens to me, I would shoot them." Course of action already chosen.
 

Bro. Curtis

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I have an NRA sticker on my front door. I put it there for a reason. I pray nobody ever tests me.
 

InTheLight

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What's wrong with pointing the gun at someone and in a firm voice tell them to leave your house? I don't understand this shoot first mentality.

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Bro. Curtis

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Because they might come back ? Go terrorize a neighbor? I dunno.

I've always said to myself that I would ask whoever it was I found in my house to say my name. I'd also like to think I could hold him until the cops got here but that might take a while. Like I said. I pray it never happens.
 
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carpro

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"I'd shoot them."

Indication of, "if it happens to me, I would shoot them." Course of action already chosen.

Purely a hypothetical. No "eagerness" at all.

If he had said, I 'm looking forward to it happening so I can shoot them, or I hope I get the chance to shoot an intruder, that would indicate "eagerness".

Resolve is not an indication of "eagerness".
 

carpro

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What's wrong with pointing the gun at someone and in a firm voice tell them to leave your house?

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Safety engaged and trigger discipline being observed, right?

That's a good way for an amateur to get killed. But that's the way you should play it if you feel that way. I might even do the same thing, not likely but...

I have trained and drilled my wife with the shoot first reaction. Her 9MM holds 17 rounds and I have told her repeatedly that should not stop pullng the trigger until the assailant stops moving or she runs out of cartridges. If the situation occurs when I'm not there, or am unable to respond, I pray she does exactly that.

But condemning others because they would react differently than you intend to react to a hostile intruder in their homes is ridiculously naive and judgemental.
 
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TCassidy

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Course of action already chosen.
Yes. My course of action has already been chosen. In fact I train regularly on response to a deadly threat.

If I or a loved one is threatened with deadly force I will act, and use whatever force is necessary to stop the threat.

I don't know anyone in their right mind who wouldn't, if they were able.
 

TCassidy

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What's wrong with pointing the gun at someone and in a firm voice tell them to leave your house?
Good way to get killed. Try to talk a criminal who is a deadly threat into not killing you and just walking out.

That is pure Hollywood. If a person poses a deadly threat, you use whatever level of force necessary to stop the threat.

I don't understand this shoot first mentality.
Because if you shoot last you are already dead.

By the sound of your objections I would guess you have no combat nor law enforcement experience?
 

carpro

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Let's not forget one thing. Looters are opportunistic scumbags and up to no good. Ever.

The same goes for home invaders.
 

TCassidy

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According to the U.S. Dept of Justice an estimated 3.7 million burglaries occur each year on average

Of those a household member was present in roughly 1 million burglaries and became victims of violent crimes up to and including death in 266,560 burglaries.

No thanks. I refuse to be a victim.
 

Don

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Yes. My course of action has already been chosen. In fact I train regularly on response to a deadly threat.

If I or a loved one is threatened with deadly force I will act, and use whatever force is necessary to stop the threat.

I don't know anyone in their right mind who wouldn't, if they were able.
Tom - please don't take me out of context.
 

Rolfe

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I have an NRA sticker on my front door. I put it there for a reason. I pray nobody ever tests me.

In some areas (rural, where sheriff response time is long), I think that may be a good idea. In others, it may be advertising to a burglar which House has the goodies.

Same with those big white automotive window 'Smith & Wesson' and Cold Dead Hands/Pro Second Amendment stickers. In some places, that is asking for bad guys to follow you home to find out where you live.
 

Reynolds

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What's wrong with pointing the gun at someone and in a firm voice tell them to leave your house? I don't understand this shoot first mentality.

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There might be another one or two waiting to ambush you while you are distracted with that one.
 

Reynolds

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In some areas (rural, where sheriff response time is long), I think that may be a good idea. In others, it may be advertising to a burglar which House has the goodies.

Same with those big white automotive window 'Smith & Wesson' and Cold Dead Hands/Pro Second Amendment stickers. In some places, that is asking for bad guys to follow you home to find out where you live.
In all my years of law enforcement I never worked a home invasion in which the perp knew the victim was armed.
 

carpro

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Same with those big white automotive window 'Smith & Wesson' and Cold Dead Hands/Pro Second Amendment stickers. In some places, that is asking for bad guys to follow you home to find out where you live.

That's a claim made in total ignorance of the facts.
 

InTheLight

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Good way to get killed. Try to talk a criminal who is a deadly threat into not killing you and just walking out.

That is pure Hollywood. If a person poses a deadly threat, you use whatever level of force necessary to stop the threat.

Wouldn't it be prudent to try to assess whether or not the intruder is a deadly threat before killing them for being inside your house?

Because if you shoot last you are already dead.

Well, yes, if you know the looter has a weapon that changes everything.

By the sound of your objections I would guess you have no combat nor law enforcement experience?

You would be correct. I would like to think that looters are not armed and would gladly move on to another house if threatened with deadly force. Also, I would not want the memory of shooting a person in my home to follow me around the rest of my life.
 
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