Praying the Rosary

[Hollow Man]

Every question I ask is genuine and in no way sarcastic, I’m just trying to ask my fellow Baptist community for advice on if it’s wrong to do what I’m doing. Thank you for your thoughts and references in the Bible.

In other words, you can find nothing in the Bible to justify your pagan prayers.

Like I said I’m also a Baptist

Right. A Baptist who calls Mary the "Queen of Heaven" and believes in Catholic rituals and doctrines.

Yeah, you're a regular AW Pink.

 

[robycop3]

It wouldn't, but some Baptists here have said in the past that repeating the Our Father prayer verbatim as it is given to us in Scripture is wrong. [/quote[Simply RECITING it IS wrong.

It is only common sense to believe that Mary is holy. Would the Holy Spirit come upon someone to initiate the coming of the Savior if she wasn't? You can take her holiness to the bank! She had an innate holiness, while we strive for it.

No, she was an ordinary virtuous Jewish maiden whom God had pre-selected to be Jesus' earthly mother, & remained an ordinary Jewish housewife after He was born, having at least 6 more children.

 

[robycop3]

Catholics. How can Mary hear the millions who are praying to her simultaneously without the her being omnipresent? Then how does she change things on earth in answer to these millions of prayers without being omnipotent?

Actually, she doesn't hear any of them. As I said earlier, they don't go past the ceiling.

Matthew 26:44 ---> “So, leaving them again, he went away and prayed for the third time, saying the same words again.”

Jesus said to avoid "vain" repetition, repetition by rattling off the Hail Mary and/or the Our Father in a few seconds without any thought. Repetition WITH thought is persistence,


Revelation 4:8 ---> "Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: ‘Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.'”

This is not meant to be a model of your behavior unless of course you are a heavenly creature with six wings covered with eyes. BTW this is obviously metaphorical.

Mindlessly reciting a prayer is wrong.

And we don't know anything about the beings covered with eyes, except they are Seraphim, a type of being higher than angels.

 

[Yeshua1]

In other words, you can find nothing in the Bible to justify your pagan prayers.



Right. A Baptist who calls Mary the "Queen of Heaven" and believes in Catholic rituals and doctrines.

Yeah, you're a regular AW Pink.

or maybe modern Day Spurgeon?

 

[skyjoy00]

Right. A Baptist who calls Mary the "Queen of Heaven" and believes in Catholic rituals and doctrines.

Although I was praying the rosary, I didn’t accept all Catholic doctrine which I’m grateful for. Since I started this topic I’ve stopped praying the rosary and asked God to lead me out of this practice and to forgive me for not doing His will. I am acknowledging my sin and am making an effort to be led back to the path of righteousness.

 

[Walpole]

Catholics.

Source please.

---> e.g. A Catholic magisterial document and or liturgy where Mary is believed to be a goddess.

Lex orandi, lex credendi.

How can Mary hear the millions who are praying to her simultaneously without the her being omnipresent? Then how does she change things on earth in answer to these millions of prayers without being omnipotent?

The same way the angels and other saints in heaven can: God makes it possible in a way that transcends language.

Luke 15:7 ---> "I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent."

Luke 15:10 ---> "So it is, I tell you, with the angels of God; there is joy among them over one sinner that repents."



These words of Jesus demonstrate that God enables communication between the Church on Earth and the Church triumphant in heaven. The angels and saints in heaven are able to rejoice over a sinner repenting here on Earth only if they have been made aware - via God - of that person's (sinner) innermost thoughts. Otherwise, they would not be rejoicing over their repentance. For you cannot rejoice in good news you are not aware of.

Matthew 26:44 ---> “So, leaving them again, he went away and prayed for the third time, saying the same words again.”

Jesus said to avoid "vain" repetition, repetition by rattling off the Hail Mary and/or the Our Father in a few seconds without any thought. Repetition WITH thought is persistence,

So repetitious prayer is ok, so long as it is not in vain? I don't disagree.

Revelation 4:8 ---> "Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying: ‘Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.'”

This is not meant to be a model of your behavior unless of course you are a heavenly creature with six wings covered with eyes. BTW this is obviously metaphorical.

So God doesn't mind those in heaven using repetitious prayers, just those on earth?

That makes sense. (Sarcasm)

 

[Walpole]

They're dead HERE. And they don't know (or care) what's going on here.

Maybe Protestants should remove Psalms 103 and 143, where David invokes the "heavenly hosts", the "angels", those "from the heavens" and those "in the heights above.

Then maaybe Protestants should remove John 11 and Acts 9, for Jesus and St. Peter both speak to the dead Lazarus and the dead Tabitha.


Lastly, maybe Protestants should stop writing R.I.P on their loved ones' tomb stones.

 

[Walpole]

It's actually you who can't have it both ways and Christ is the exception. Hebrews 4:15 - For we do not have a high priest (Jesus Christ) who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

Sorry, but there are NO EXCEPTIONS listed by St. Paul in Romans 3. "All" either means "ALL" without exception, or St. Paul is simply using inclusive language.

You can't have it both ways.

Where does the Bible say that about Mary?

Wisdom 1:4 ---> "For wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sin."


Who does Scripture call wisdom? ---> 1 Cor 1:24, 30

In whose body did wisdom dwell? ---> Luke 1:31


If Christ is the wisdom of God and if Mary is the person in whose body he dwelt, then there is your answer.

 

[Jerome]

Baptists have our own beads for prayer-prompting:

Women's Missionary Union of the Southern Baptist Convention

 

[Walpole]

Baptists have our own beads for prayer-prompting:

Women's Missionary Union of the Southern Baptist Convention

Prayer shawls are also quite popular in Baptist churches.

It should come as no surprise that material creatures would use material things.

To be an anti-sacramentalist is really contrary to our nature.

 

[HankD]

Source please.

---> e.g. A Catholic magisterial document and or liturgy where Mary is believed to be a goddess.

Lex orandi, lex credendi.

my own as a boy i was raised catholic, catechism first holy communion, confirmation.
I was never told Mary was any less than a goddess. i was taught the same attitudes of respect, taught to assume her omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence etc as Jesus. kneeling before her statue, making the sign of the cross, making my request, thanking her, sign of cross...

The same way the angels and other saints in heaven can: God makes it possible in a way that transcends language.

wrong! more popish psychobabble which leads to people praying to others than GOD Himself.

Exodus 20
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

These words of Jesus demonstrate that God enables communication between the Church on Earth and the Church triumphant in heaven. The angels and saints in heaven are able to rejoice over a sinner repenting here on Earth only if they have been made aware - via God - of that person's (sinner) innermost thoughts. Otherwise, they would not be rejoicing over their repentance. For you cannot rejoice in good news you are not aware of.

Again this does not mean you can assume you can pray/communicate directly with those not residing here on planet earth.

So repetitious prayer is ok, so long as it is not in vain? I don't disagree. well at least there is one thing.
That makes sense. (Sarcasm)

So God doesn't mind those in heaven using repetitious prayers, just those on earth?
That makes sense. (Sarcasm)

since at the time of this response to your statement, i am earthbound i will pray for you and your possible learning disability (Depending upon the object of your sarcasm).
the passage in question is probably metaphorical (their wings, their eyes, their persistence in proclaiming His Holiness).

 

[RCommando]

The Rosary is the second most powerful set of prayers after the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass... why wouldn't you pray it?

 

[Yeshua1]

The Rosary is the second most powerful set of prayers after the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass... why wouldn't you pray it?

Idolater, not per the scriptures, pagan worship!

 

[RCommando]

O God, whose only begotten Son, by His life, death, and resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal salvation. Grant, we beseech Thee, that while meditating on these mysteries of the most holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary, that we may both imitate what they contain and obtain what they promise, through Christ our Lord. Amen.

 

[Walpole]

my own as a boy i was raised catholic, catechism first holy communion, confirmation.
I was never told Mary was any less than a goddess. i was taught the same attitudes of respect, taught to assume her omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence etc as Jesus. kneeling before her statue, making the sign of the cross, making my request, thanking her, sign of cross...

Can you point me to anything in the Catechism, Bible, liturgical prayers or anything from the Catholic Church which teaches Mary is a goddess?

Do you know what a straw man is?

wrong! more popish psychobabble which leads to people praying to others than GOD Himself.

So Jesus was mistaken that those in heaven are not aware of the prayers and thoughts of the faithful here below?

What about St. John? He records the saints interceding for us in heaven in his Apocalypse. Could he too be mistaken?

Exodus 20
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Do you see the irony in your posting this verse? You violate verse 4 by the sheer fact that you have an avatar of a likeness of that which is on the earth, a man.

Again this does not mean you can assume you can pray/communicate directly with those not residing here on planet earth.

It supports the Christian belief in the Communion of Saints.

since at the time of this response to your statement, i am earthbound i will pray for you and your possible learning disability (Depending upon the object of your sarcasm).
the passage in question is probably metaphorical (their wings, their eyes, their persistence in proclaiming His Holiness).

Nice ad hominem. Do you typically accuse those with whom you disagree with having learning disabilities?

 

[mailmandan]

Sorry, but there are NO EXCEPTIONS listed by St. Paul in Romans 3. "All" either means "ALL" without exception, or St. Paul is simply using inclusive language.

You can't have it both ways.

Wisdom 1:4 ---> "For wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sin."

Who does Scripture call wisdom? ---> 1 Cor 1:24, 30

In whose body did wisdom dwell? ---> Luke 1:31

If Christ is the wisdom of God and if Mary is the person in whose body he dwelt, then there is your answer.

Jesus is the God/Man and is the exception. You can't hide from Hebrews 4:15. Jesus was the only begotten/unique/one of a kind Son of God (John 3:16). Mary is included in "all." She rejoiced in "God her Savior," so you also can't hide from Luke 1:47 either.

 

[Yeshua1]

O God, whose only begotten Son, by His life, death, and resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal salvation. Grant, we beseech Thee, that while meditating on these mysteries of the most holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary, that we may both imitate what they contain and obtain what they promise, through Christ our Lord. Amen.

We must focus on Jesus alone!

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Pray with sincerity that what you do, say and think is within God's revealed will. God can bless such thoughts and actions.

My motto: Neither condemn what God condones nor condone what God condemns.

 

[Walpole]

Jesus is the God/Man and is the exception. You can't hide from Hebrews 4:15. Jesus was the only begotten/unique/one of a kind Son of God (John 3:16). Mary is included in "all." She rejoiced in "God her Savior," so you also can't hide from Luke 1:47 either.

No one is disputing the words of Hebrews 4:15. (That is called moving the goal post.)

Your original objection was that St. Paul made no exception to "ALL" in Romans 3:23. Recall...

"Romans 3:23 clearly states - ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Notice it doesn't say all 'except [sic] Mary.'" - Your words


Notice Paul makes no exceptions. So, either Jesus is included in "ALL" in Romans 3:23 or St. Paul is simply using inclusive language. You can't have it both ways.


Luke 1:47 was addressed in a previous post.

 

[mailmandan]

No one is disputing the words of Hebrews 4:15. (That is called moving the goal post.)

Your original objection was that St. Paul made no exception to "ALL" in Romans 3:23. Recall...

"Romans 3:23 clearly states - ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Notice it doesn't say all 'except [sic] Mary.'" - Your words

Notice Paul makes no exceptions. So, either Jesus is included in "ALL" in Romans 3:23 or St. Paul is simply using inclusive language. You can't have it both ways.

Luke 1:47 was addressed in a previous post.

I already proved my argument from scripture, but you have your agenda. Moving on..