Featured Sabbath breaking - becomes the mark of the Beast in the future

It was mostly in response to this statement:

There is a distinction in Scripture which shows we have to be careful what is in view, the Word of God or the Covenant.

We can divorce ourselves completely from the Covenant of Law because we have been brought under the New Covenant in salvation in Christ.

That does not mean that the intent of the Law is divorced from our understanding because that is precisely what Paul is speaking about when he speaks about Gentiles performing the "works" of the Law without actually having the Law, or being in Covenantal relationship with God through that Covenant.

It was not called the Law of Christ and while we know He is the Author we also have to keep in mind that the Messiah was promised and that there is a specific time in History when God manifested in human flesh and established the New Covenant. What I feel is also important that I think many miss is the fact that the Gospel was not revealed to men in understandable fashion until the Comforter came. With this in mind we understand that while ultimately it is the Law of Christ, we do not forget that Christ gave specific commands and revealed the Law of God in a way which was not understood before.

In other words, while loving our neighbor was taught, the full understanding would be that everyone we come into contact with is our neighbor, and that we are commanded to actually love all, even as God Himself does.

And it is the establishing of the New Covenant which held promise of the eternal indwelling of God Himself through which we can in fact walk in His statutes and keep His judgments, as we now have the mind of Christ.

Perhaps a simpler way to put it is that the heart of the Old Testament Saint should not be compared to the heart we have been given, another promise of God to Israel, which for them remained promise only. We cannot impose the reception of promise before it is actually given, or in other words, it remained promised until established.


God bless.

 

BobRyan like I told you either you are ignorant or a liar like your godess.
PASSOVER Feast is BOTH forward and backward pointing; backward pointing to deliverance from Egypt and forward pointing to our redemption in Christ.

SABBATH Day as well is BOTH forward and backward pointing; backward pointing to creation and forward pointing to our rest in Christ

This means your arbitrary elimination of the weekly sabbath from Colossians 2:16 is unwarranted. You are not the first Adventist to wrest with Colossians. They been at it hallucinating all unimaginable and retarded reasons to eliminate sabbath day from that verse to no avail

 

You keep on quoting Moody and Spurgeon. These are meaningless quotes. All who post here know what they believed concerning the Sabbath and it wasn't what you believe; it was completely different. They weren't SDA; in fact they repudiated all and every belief of the SDA. In actuality they did not believe in keeping the Sabbath at all as you maintain.
Your dishonesty and hypocrisy is shown every time you use these men as your reference points.

 

Just because you say so don't make it. Sabbath is a shadow as well. It is a shadow of the rest we get in Christ. Refer to

Hebrews 4:9-10 (KJV)
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief

BobRyan you are obtuse but I don't blame you; years of brainwashing do that
Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
and from one sabbath to another,
shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
Will we also be observing the New Moon feasts in eternity?

Stick to the scriptures or debate with 'majority of pro-Sunday scholarship'. I tutored you that keeping Sunday as a sabbath is WRONG. Exactly what is 'moral' about observing a random day?

Jesus called somebody fox. Am calling you out of love and compassion :thumbs:

 

DHK,

Romans 14:5-6 (ESV)
5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

What honest man can reading this concludes that the contrast here is between those keeping ALL Jewish holy days and those keeping some of these days and not keeping the rest EXCLUDING the weekly sabbath?

There is NOTHING remotely pointing to that here yet BobRyan throws it around as the truth. What prompts men to spin such blatant yarns? Indoctrination. Once you are baptized by swearing to submit to the authority of Ellen White, you are reduced to this.

 

It actually doesn't end well on the playground either.


God bless.

 

But it is not to "these guys" we look to understand the Covenant of Law versus the New Covenant.

It's these guys...

Christ.

Paul.

John.

The writer of Hebrews.

Peter.

Matthew.

Mark.

Luke.

Jude.


This was the norm in Christ's day for an appeal to authority:


Matthew 23:1-3

King James Version (KJV)

23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.


The writer of Hebrews makes it clear that the Covenant of Law was not at fault, but that men had the fault. Thus it was necessary that a New Covenant be established. It was promised, and given.

There is nothing in the New Testament where we are commanded to observe the Sabbath.


God bless.

 

I have no issue with that.

I mean to say divorce moral law, ceremonial law and moral law from each other. Most believe that we have thrown away 2 of 3. You are under the law or you are not. We of course are not.

Thanks for catching my misstatement. I will go back and fix it.

*well, apparently it has been too long ago to edit. Thanks for catching it though.

 

You might find "Being saved and the 10 Commandments" interesting.

There...the OP denies the New Covenant altogether, lol.

I think this issue is a result of extremism, which is a danger for both sides. Both legalism and antinomianism are to be avoided.


God bless.

 

Bob says: "I believe in Jesus"
A Muslim says: "I believe in Jesus too."

The quotes are the same Bob. But they mean about the same as the quotes from Moody and you.
How much do Muslims and you have in common with Jesus?
How much does Moody and the SDA have in common with the Sabbath?
The answer is the same.

 

BobRyan you are a serial liar just like Ellen White your godess

Romans 14:5(KJV)
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

The contrast is between esteeming a day above others and esteeming EVERY DAY alike.

It is self evident to all but the terminally brainwashed that esteeming EVERY DAY alike is indifference to days as a Gentile was wont to and NOT esteeming some of the Jewish holy days.
Why would anybody esteem some Jewish days while ignoring others?

And if this is not enough look at verse 6
Romans 14:6
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
The contrast is between one regarding a day and one not regarding it, and NOT as you fantasize one regarding some Jewish days as opposed to all Jewish holy days.

BobRyan regards sabbath to the Lord
Vooks regards not the sabbath to the Lord
How is BobRyan better than me?:tonofbricks:

 

I thought Herby Armstrong was dead. When did he change his name to Ryan? when he was 110?

 

Name-calling is the next tactic when one runs out of proof-texts.



Don't let it bother you. Stick with doctrinal discussion and the Lord will put the pieces together for us.


God bless.