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THE LORD IS…NOT WILLING THAT ANY OF YOU SHOULD PERISH

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Iconoclast

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SavedByGrace said:
Same way many won't get saved they refused to believe what He was saying to them
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That is the default position of the sinner.
They do not seek God or His truth until God gives grace and mercy to them.
Your out of context verses are like Adam making a covering of fig leaves to cover the fall.
You seek to see together a patchwork of out of context verses to cover the truth of God being in absolute control.
God has not kept these truths secret but are revealed in scripture to those who can open them by prayer and humbly seeking the truth
 
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AustinC

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Iconoclast said:
That is the default position of the sinner.
They do not seek God or His truth until God gives grace and mercy to them.
Your out of context verses are like Adam making a covering of fig leaves to cover the fall.
You seek to see together a patchwork of out of context verses to cover the truth of God being in absolute control.
God has not kept these truths secret but are revealed in scripture to those who can open them by prayer and humbly seeking the truth
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John Bunyan, in Pilgrims Progress, likened this to the person who attempts to jump over the gate rather than be let in by the gatekeeper.
 
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SavedByGrace

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Iconoclast said:
That is the default position of the sinner.
They do not seek God or His truth until God gives grace and mercy to them.
Your out of context verses are like Adam making a covering of fig leaves to cover the fall.
You seek to see together a patchwork of out of context verses to cover the truth of God being in absolute control.
God has not kept these truths secret but are revealed in scripture to those who can open them by prayer and humbly seeking the truth
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then why does the Bible say, “Seek the LORD while he may be found; call upon him while he is near"? Isa 55:6
 
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AustinC said:
So, God's shed blood is insufficient to save. His atonement (payment) for sin was only partial in your theology. Man must merit his own salvation in your theology.
Sir, I am beginning to think that you know nothing about grace.
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Here is passage from John Calvin

Which is shed for many. By the word many he means not a part of the world only, but the whole human race; for he contrasts many with one; as if he had said, that he will not be the Redeemer of one man only, but will die in order to deliver many from the condemnation of the curse. It must at the same time be observed, however, that by the words for you, as related by Luke — Christ directly addresses the disciples, and exhorts every believer to apply to his own advantage the shedding of blood Therefore, when we approach to the holy table, let us not only remember in general that the world has been redeemed by the blood of Christ, but let every one consider for himself that his own sins have been expiated, on Mark 14:24

Clear that Judas was also addressed by Jesus in the use of YOU, as he was one of the 12 Disciples. This passage in Mark is that which Luke has in chapter 22, here Mark says "many", which Calvin rightly says "not a part of the world only, but the whole human race". Including Judas!
 
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George Antonios said:
It must have been since the Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (2Peter 3:9).
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I agree, as Jesus gave Judas the chance to repent. He said that whoever He dipped the choice piece of meat in the sop with would be His betrayer. He said it'd be better for the man who betrayed Him if that man had never been born. And when Judas was preparing to meet with the temple police who were to arrest Him, He told Judas to go & do what he had to do quickly.

Besides those things, He chose Judas as a disciple, knowing Judas would betray Him. Thus, Judas saw & heard Jesus' ministry & observed His miracles. But Judas, being a Zealot as the other Judas was, became disappointed in Jesus when he realized Jesus was not gonna free the Jews from Roman rule. Thus, he chose to betray Him, even though Jesus made it known to Judas that He knew of the betrayal plan, & all but asked Judas if he wanted to repent. So, Judas had every chance to repent !
 
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SavedByGrace said:
The fact remains that Jesus died for the sins of Judas as Jesus clearly says in Luke

Luke 22:20-22
[20]And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.
[21]But behold, the hand of the one betraying Me is with Mine on the table.
[22]For indeed, the Son of Man is going as it has been determined; but woe to that man by whom He is betrayed!"
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We've already seen that you can't 'clearly' see what the Scriptures are actually saying.
 
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Aaron

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SavedByGrace said:
The joke is on you because I never said what you think I did. It seems that you Americans can't understand simple English :Sneaky
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'Do you guys read in the Gospels where Jesus could not do any miracles because of unbelief.'

We can read the Bible easy enough.
 
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SavedByGrace said:
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It IS the heart of the God of the Holy Bible, Who SO loves His own creation, the entire human race, that He sent the Lord Jesus Christ, to die for the sins of ALL sinners, including Judas, as is very clear in Luke 22:14-23. However, ALL sinners must comply with the Just Demands of the Lord, and “Repent and Believe in the Good News” (Mark 1:15), so that they might be saved!
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The god you follow is not able to have his way with rebellious sinners? If my God wanted all sinners to be saved, they would be!
 
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