The pre-wrath rapture view

[JonShaff]

IT....let's tackle Matt. 13

36 Then he left the crowds and went in to the house. And his disciples came to him, saying,“Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.”37 He answered,“The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.38 The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,

Look at the distinction...Field----> NOT THE KINGDOM
Good Seed-----> Sons of the Kingdom

39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil.The harvest is the end of the age,

Familiar Language in 2 Corinthians 4

3 And even if our gospel is veiled,it is veiled to those who are perishing.4 In their case the god of this world(AGE)

 

[DHK]

I cannot read for you Jon.....look at what verses your friend offered.....those are unsaved persons being described.
He is trying to say that Christians are lumped into the children of disobedience. ..
Read his take on 2 Cor 4......it speaks of the lost.

He is speaking TO the Corinthian believers teaching them that Satan is the god of this world. He is not speaking to the lost at all. The germ of truth here is that Satan is "the god of this world," whether or not you are lost or saved. Your spiritual condition does not change that fact.

 

[Iconoclast]

According to you it was absolutely fruitless and a waste of time for Jesus to pray to the Father to "keep his disciples from the wicked (one)". What a waste of time for Jesus. Why did he even pray such a prayer if His disciples were constantly under the power of Christ and never had to be under the influence of Satan. I suppose Jesus was wrong and you are right. Are you wiser than Jesus?

Why did he pray as such?
John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them from the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one. ASV

One difference between me and you is.....I believe Jesus prayer was answered, you and your false theology declare otherwise....RoflmaoCautious

 

[JonShaff]

Christ rules over all .....period.
Look at Luke 19......vs 14.....the citizens said, we will not have this man reign over us,look at vs27..
They were under His reign, but in rebellion.

So who reigned over them?

27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.

Joshua said, CHOOSE you this day whom you will serve...the one you serve is the one who reigns over you.

 

[Iconoclast]

So who reigned over them?

27 Butas for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here andslaughter them before me.

Joshua said, CHOOSE you this day whom you will serve...the one you serve is the one who reigns over you.

Read verse 27 again......the rebels did not want Him to reign over them....BUT HE DID.
At the white throne judgment they will get their theology right.
It is only grace that enables us to welcome His kingly reign Rom 6:16-21

 

[JonShaff]

Read verse 27 again......the rebels did not want Him to reign over them....BUT HE DID.
At the white throne judgment they will get their theology right.

You say "BUT HE DID", How so?

 

[Iconoclast]

You say "BUT HE DID", How so?

Jon
Jesus rules and reigns now. All men are responsible before Him and each person will give an account of himself.
God's law rules.....it is not optional. Law breakers and rebels against God's word will be eternally punished.
Jesus rules with a rod of iron. Not one sin, not one idle word will go unpunished.
The rebellion of sinners does not negate the reign of the King.

 

[Internet Theologian]

IT....let's tackle Matt. 13

36 Then he left the crowds and went in to the house. And his disciples came to him, saying,“Explain to us the parable of the weeds of the field.”37 He answered,“The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.38 The field is the world, and the good seed is the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one,

Look at the distinction...Field----> NOT THE KINGDOM
Good Seed-----> Sons of the Kingdom

39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil.The harvest is the end of the age,

Familiar Language in 2 Corinthians 4

3 And even if our gospel is veiled,it is veiled to those who are perishing.4 In their case the god of this world(AGE)

Wow, that's not a tackle brother, that's a missed tackle.

Of course the field is the world, where this kingdom narrative is taking place. You seriously believe underlining, italicizing, adding bold letters facilitates your point? Your point is near-sighted and erroneous. The basics of parables is using earthly language and descriptions to describe the kingdom. We see the parable of the sower as it is taking place now.

Your presuppositions won't let you see that all throughout the passage there He is showing the kingdom and its subjects in the here and now. Just because there is a harvest in the end doesn't mean all the events are future but instead show the culmination of it.

 

[Internet Theologian]

So who reigned over them?

27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.

Who slaughtered them, Satan?

 

[Iconoclast]

He is speaking TO the Corinthian believers teaching them that Satan is the god of this world. He is not speaking to the lost at all. The germ of truth here is that Satan is "the god of this world," whether or not you are lost or saved. Your spiritual condition does not change that fact.

You are not reading with any comprehension at all. You are running rough shod over the passage .

 

[JonShaff]

Who slaughtered them, Satan?

No

 

[JonShaff]

Jon
Jesus rules and reigns now. All men are responsible before Him and each person will give an account of himself.
God's law rules.....it is not optional. Law breakers and rebels against God's word will be eternally punished.
Jesus rules with a rod of iron. Not one sin, not one idle word will go unpunished.
The rebellion of sinners does not negate the reign of the King.

You are using hindsight to mix your presuppositions into scripture.

 

[JonShaff]

Wow, that's not a tackle brother, that's a missed tackle.

Of course the field is the world, where this kingdom narrative is taking place. You seriously believe underlining, italicizing, adding bold letters facilitates your point? Your point is near-sighted and erroneous. The basics of parables is using earthly language and descriptions to describe the kingdom. We see the parable of the sower as it is taking place now.

Your presuppositions won't let you see that all throughout the passage there He is showing the kingdom and its subjects in the here and now. Just because there is a harvest in the end doesn't mean all the events are future but instead show the culmination of it.

Break it down, Show me where i misrepresented the proper meaning of the text.

 

[Internet Theologian]

Should the name of this song be changed?

...from 'Jesus' Reigns to 'someone else' reigns?

 

[Internet Theologian]

Break it down, Show me where i misrepresented the proper meaning of the text.

Do you see the parable of the sower, that the things entailed in that are happening as of now, how people react to the Gospel? It also happened during the earthly ministry of Christ, by the way.

 

[JonShaff]

Tunnel vision.

 

[JonShaff]

Do you see the parable of the sower, that the things entailed in that are happening as of now, how people react to the Gospel? It also happened during the earthly ministry of Christ, by the way.

Hence why Christ said, the Kingdom is Within You. The Physical Kingdom is Established in Heaven and in the HEarts of the Believers. Soon, He will come to Earth with His Kingdom.

 

[JonShaff]

John 18:36
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”

waiting for the next eisegeting of the text...

 

[Iconoclast]

No

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[JonShaff]

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Christ will destroy His enemies.