When were we Chosen?

[canadyjd]

What you are promoting is the calvinist version not the biblical version of salvation.

The only "elect One" prior to creation was Christ Jesus. We are only elect when we have been placed into Christ through faith.

I believe the biblical “version” of election. I have explained why. We don’t have to agree.

Have a nice day

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

I believe the biblical “version” of election. I have explained why. We don’t have to agree.

Have a nice day

Peace to you

God foreknowing who will freely trust in Him is not Him picking out who will trust in Him as your view would suggest.

If He picked out those to be saved then He also picked out those that would be lost. In both cases those picked had no option but to fulfill the choices of God. So we have to ask why would He then say His desire was for all to come to repentance? Also why judge men for rejecting Him when he determined that they would? They were just doing what He had determined that they do.

 

[th1bill]

Perhaps I was not deep enough in my comments. Yehovah God created this Rime/Space Continuum, placing Him into a Realm we cannot define. We know there is nothing but truth in Him. Therefore, there is no conflict in the Holy Scriptures, and it is impossible to understand any scripture without the light of all scripture shinning on it and this light is imposed, only by Ruah, (the Holy Spirit.) As per the whole of scripture, it is understood that Yehovah views the beginning and the end, a lesson learned from the Prophetic Writings contained in our Bibles.

All Scripture is truth, all mankind is called to repent and to live life serving Yehovah God, and He inscribed the Book of Life before He created the first man, meaning He is still issuing the call to repent, even today. The scriptures are not in conflict, but are found to be hand in hand,

I pray this is clear now.

 

[canadyjd]

God foreknowing who will freely trust in Him is not Him picking out who will trust in Him as your view would suggest.

If He picked out those to be saved then He also picked out those that would be lost. In both cases those picked had no option but to fulfill the choices of God. So we have to ask why would He then say His desire was for all to come to repentance? Also why judge men for rejecting Him when he determined that they would? They were just doing what He had determined that they do.

Romans 9 answers your questions.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

God foreknowing who will freely trust in Him is not Him picking out who will trust in Him as your view would suggest.

Romans 8 refers to “those He foreknew…” are the ones He chose.

The context does not refer to knowing something about these folks (that they would believe), but rather knowing them in a personal relationship.

To suggest God looked through time, saw who would believe, and then predestined them to salvation, completely distorts the meaning of the word “predestined”.

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

Romans 9 answers your questions.

Peace to you

I do not have any questions as I know what the bible says.

Now if you were to read Romans 9 without reading into it then you would have your questions answered.

 

[Silverhair]

Romans 8 refers to “those He foreknew…” are the ones He chose.

The context does not refer to knowing something about these folks (that they would believe), but rather knowing them in a personal relationship.

To suggest God looked through time, saw who would believe, and then predestined them to salvation, completely distorts the meaning of the word “predestined”.

Peace to you

God being Omniscient foreknows all those that will freely trust in Him. He does not have to look through time as you put it.

The bible is clear that "whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son" Does not say predestined them to be saved, that is just you misreading the text.

Knowing that they would freely believe is why He could predestine them to be conformed to the image of His son through the sanctification of the Spirit.