Featured Sabbath breaking - becomes the mark of the Beast in the future

The Ten Commandments were given to Israel and only to Israel. That is why you find them in Exodus, Deuteronomy, etc., in the OT.
Everyone of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the NT except one, and that is to "Keep the Sabbath." The reason: This one command is given to Israel alone. Thus there is no command in the NT for the Gentile believer to keep the Sabbath.

Your misunse of those documents has been well-noted.

Paul never taught to keep the Sabbath; in fact he taught the opposite. He taught to avoid keeping the sabbath, for the sabbath wasn't real, but a shadow of that which was real, that is Jesus Christ who is our Sabbath.
One day is as holy as another, and every day is alike.

The Jews were given 613 commands. Do you keep them all? Yes or no?

Isaiah 56 is just that--Isaiah 56. It is not the NT. And since SDA prophecy is miles apart from mine I refuse to discuss it with you. You must find the command to keep the Sabbath in the NT. Isaiah was written to Israel.

All of Isaiah was written to Israel, as was Exodus. One doesn't find NT believers in the OT.

There is no command to keep the Sabbath for the NT believer. You won't find such a command in the NT.

 

The Sabbath is never mentioned. The Sabbath was given only to Israel.
In Rom.2:14,15 the law written on the hearts of every man does not include the Sabbath. It is the moral law of God, but does not include the Sabbath. There is no Sabbath in the moral law of God.

 

Brother Bob, don't you draw anything from the one time that the Sabbath is mentioned in any of the epistles it is mentioned in the negative about letting no man judge you regarding it, yet there are no commands or a single verse in the entire New Testament that mention a believer should observe the Sabbath? All the other 10 commandments are moral law, but the Sabbath is now. It was only a shadow that has now been fulfilled through Christ.

God bless,

Brother Joe

 

You cannot wish away that false prophecy though, as the Bible teaches to us that the mark of the beast is reserves for JUST those unsaved of Christ, and who choose to follow and worship the Antichrist as their Messiah, NOT Sunday worship!

IF going to church on sunday EVER became that, then the blood of jesus has no power to cleanse from all sins then, right?

 

Bob, isn't that name calling?




God bless.

 

So, do you observe Tabernacles free of others judging you?

Is there a single instance where NT condemns Passover? Paul kept it severally

That's irrelevant.

There are apostles keeping Jewish feasts like Passover, taking Nazirite vows...

Only two-bit marine invertebrates can't tell blasphemy from the Third commandment

Yes, the 613 of them

You are a serial liar just like your godess. Christ condemns modifying ANY of the 613 laws and not just the Ten

Pathetic

 

There is really no need to be calling people liars and editing their posts.

I would caution you in continuing in this method of debate, which is not debate.

Keep it doctrinal, my friend. You will never convince your antagonist or those reading that you are representing Christ in dialogue with this kind of display.


God bless.

 

It is not mentioned in the NT as a command to keep. That is what is important.

In the broader context of marriage. This is a foolish verse to use.

Another foolish verse use to use as Jesus was condemning the Pharisees in an OT dispensation before the cross who perverted the Law which they supposedly lived by but had turned the Law into commandments of men.
--But we are not under the Law, rather grace.

It is not opinion, but fact, that there is no command anywhere in the NT for a believer to keep the Sabbath.
The sabbath is not in the moral law of God.

This is easily demonstrated by going to any foreign culture where the gospel has never been heard. Remember that I am a missionary.
The moral law is written on their hearts and their conscience also bears witness to it.
If they commit murder, lie, commit adultery, etc. their conscience tells them that they have done wrong. If they commit any one of the nine commandments they know automatically that something is wrong--they have sinned.
However, if they have broken the Sabbath, there is no knowledge of any sin. It is not part of the moral law and no sin has taken place. There is nothing moral or amoral about a gentile keeping or not keeping the Sabbath. It is not written on the hearts of men.

 

But it is in the NT, just not quoted word for word. The NT says quite a bit about how we should speak and use our words, or what comes out of mouths--perhaps more so than the OT.

All of these scriptures are totally irrelevant.
Heb.4:9 speaks of a Person not a day. Study to show yourself approved unto God.
The others are OT scriptures, not NT scriptures and they don't give commands for NT believers to keep the Sabbath.

I have already demonstrated that that is not true.

And a dozen or more times you have failed. I have not made-up anything; rather you fail to study your Bible.

I will state it again: "Your misuse of those documents is well documented."
They are Baptistic in nature. They don't believe in the same Sabbath as you do. They don't define Sabbath as you do. They all with one accord condemn the beliefs of the SDA, and therefore your use of them is deceitful and hypocritical.

Paul, as his habit was, went to the Jew first and also to the Greeks. The Jews gathered in their synagogues as was their custom, on the Sabbath.
Now, if you evangelize after the manner of Paul do you enter into the synagogues of the Jews on the sabbath days to preach the gospel to the Jews. That was the only reason he did. Otherwise, as Acts 20:7 indicates, he gathered with believers on the first day of the week, being Sunday.
How many synagogues have you been in lately Bob?

Colossians 2:4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Colossians 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Verse 16
(CEV) Don't let anyone tell you what you must eat or drink. Don't let them say that you must celebrate the New Moon festival, the Sabbath, or any other festival.
(Geneva) Let no man therefore condemne you in meate and drinke, or in respect of an holy day, or of the newe moone, or of the Sabbath dayes,
--Paul, inasmuch condemned those who commanded believers to keep the Sabbath. The Sabbath was fulfilled in Christ, for the Sabbath was but a shadow of Christ, the reality.

(CEV) Some of the Lord's followers think one day is more important than another. Others think all days are the same. But each of you should make up your own mind.
--That is not what is sounds like.
Concerning verse 6 Robertson says:

That in some ways it is harder to live under grace than under the law, but not impossible. The fact remains: We are not under the Law--so why put yourself there?

You are deceived.

"The Sabbath was MADE for mankind" Mark 2:27[/quote]
There is no command there, and if you knew the real meaning of this verse it goes against the keeping of the Sabbath not for it.

Again the meaning of the verse doesn't phase you. It doesn't work in your favor. It is speaking of Christ, not a day.

There is no command here to keep the Sabbath.

You are working against the Bible, key word "working," as in putting your self under the law and not under grace.

 

Brother DHK,

I haven't followed this thread from the beginning. What documents do you feel Brother Bob is misusing and how, and what do you feel is the correct interpretation of these documents? If you have some time quotes and elaboration would help.

God bless,

Brother Joe

 

he loves to keep using the Confessipns of the faith, and to quote Baptists and other Christians who stated that we should observe the Sabbath still as a christian, but ALL of them meant that to now be Sunday worshipping, not as the SDA holds it to be!

 

the Sabbath day is in Hebrews,hrist and refers to that we can now cease from trying to get saved by keeping trhe law, and to trust in the peace and resting from our own efforts, as jesus did it all for us already!

And keeping the Commandments is just stating to us to keep the law of Christ now, as we should be obedient, NOT in order to either get saved or kept saved, but to show that we have been saved!

 

Moody, Spurgeon, Westminster Confession of Faith, etc.
He quotes from Moody most. Moody put in a disclaimer in his sermon that his doctrine was not to be confused with the doctrine of the SDA, and yet Bob quotes him any way.
All of these men, including the writers of the W.CoF, had a different definition of Sabbath. It was an era that "Sabbath" meant "Christian Sabbath," and that was an understood term. IOW "Sabbath" simply meant "Sunday." If one downloads the entirety of Moody's sermon it is easy to see how Bob selectively quotes from it. Moody is simply urging those listening to him to take time of their work, set it aside so they come to church on Sunday. Many of them used to work Sundays. He urged them to work on Sundays or cause others to work on Sundays by condoning their establishments (dining at their restaurants, buying the Sunday Newspaper, etc.). It was all about Sunday and putting aside time on Sunday to come to church.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the Jewish Sabbath, keeping the Sabbath, or anything remotely in common with SDA theology. Therefore, for him to use them as reference is dishonest.
Many of us would preach some of the same principles. Do all you can to get people into church on Sunday. That is the principle.