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  1. StefanM

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    What if he were to preach? I wouldn't care. It's just another preacher.
     
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    So how is election not the same as salvation?
     
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    And who is the proponent of this belief? Anyone on this board? Anyone ever?
     
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    Martin is simply espousing the typical Calvinist notion that only good people go to heaven. Works gospel....
     
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    Well it did rather appear to be your good self and JamesL. :Whistling
     
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    There is a difference in deciding to have dinner and actually having dinner.
     
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    No. It is a grave error of understanding to conflate election with salvation.
     
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    Revelation 22:14-15.
     
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    Of course. Election is not salvation. Election is UNTO salvation.

    I was elected unto salvation in eternity past. I was saved in 1974.

    Donald Trump was elected to the Presidency in November, but will not become President until January.

    Again, it is a grave error of understanding to conflate election and salvation.
     
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    I don't understand how it can be viewed as the same thing.
     
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    No these are not the same thing.
     
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    My question is, why do churches bring in outside preachers? What can an outside preacher do that one of the pastoral staff can't do?
     
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    We have had some outside preachers - often our own missionaries or sometimes we've had people in the pulpit who were in for a conference. We had James McDonald preach a few times because he and our now pastor emeritus are friends and we had our pastor's pastor preach as well. But we don't go searching out "Oh, let's get a new voice in the pulpit" because we have 10 pastors of our own so plenty to fill the three pulpits. :)
     
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    Sometimes, it's so the congregation can hear a complete stranger preach/teach the same things their pastor preaches/teaches; letting them know that it's not just him that preaches/teaches those things. Some folks show up whenever the doors are open, but never hear anything outside the doors; and it lets them know there's a whole 'nother world out there with people who believe, teach, and preach the same way.
     
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    I like your sentiment, for sure.

    But I think sometimes people need to hear a message in a different tone of voice, or the message needs to come from someone not so familiar to the crowd.

    I went and preached a couple of months ago at a Baptist church in the middle of Kentucky, and I think it was just such an instance
     
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    Do you have a quote from one of his books where he says that those that believe in free grace are lost?
     
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    I agree. We need a life of repentance from sin.
     
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    He can relieve the preacher of that week's sermon preparation!

    But, as others have mentioned, missionaries and other "outsiders" can provide a fresh emphasis on something. For instance, my church invited a few different missionaries to preach on Sunday mornings during a missions emphasis month.
     
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    No, Calvinists/Reformed see the Bibical mandate being that once realy saved by Grace of God, then we shall be living in a fashion diferent than before saved, and in the process of becoming more obedient toJesus now!
     
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    We Calvinists do hold to he Future Hope of the Second Coming of Christ, but the basis of our hope and security is the Cross of Christ!
     
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