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What if brother Paul Washer were to preach in your church?
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So how is election not the same as salvation?
And who is the proponent of this belief? Anyone on this board? Anyone ever?
Martin is simply espousing the typical Calvinist notion that only good people go to heaven. Works gospel....
Well it did rather appear to be your good self and JamesL.
There is a difference in deciding to have dinner and actually having dinner.
No. It is a grave error of understanding to conflate election with salvation.
Revelation 22:14-15.
Of course. Election is not salvation. Election is UNTO salvation.
I was elected unto salvation in eternity past. I was saved in 1974.
Donald Trump was elected to the Presidency in November, but will not become President until January.
Again, it is a grave error of understanding to conflate election and salvation.
I don't understand how it can be viewed as the same thing.
No these are not the same thing.
My question is, why do churches bring in outside preachers? What can an outside preacher do that one of the pastoral staff can't do?
We have had some outside preachers - often our own missionaries or sometimes we've had people in the pulpit who were in for a conference. We had James McDonald preach a few times because he and our now pastor emeritus are friends and we had our pastor's pastor preach as well. But we don't go searching out "Oh, let's get a new voice in the pulpit" because we have 10 pastors of our own so plenty to fill the three pulpits.
Sometimes, it's so the congregation can hear a complete stranger preach/teach the same things their pastor preaches/teaches; letting them know that it's not just him that preaches/teaches those things. Some folks show up whenever the doors are open, but never hear anything outside the doors; and it lets them know there's a whole 'nother world out there with people who believe, teach, and preach the same way.
I like your sentiment, for sure.
But I think sometimes people need to hear a message in a different tone of voice, or the message needs to come from someone not so familiar to the crowd.
I went and preached a couple of months ago at a Baptist church in the middle of Kentucky, and I think it was just such an instance
Do you have a quote from one of his books where he says that those that believe in free grace are lost?
I agree. We need a life of repentance from sin.
He can relieve the preacher of that week's sermon preparation!
But, as others have mentioned, missionaries and other "outsiders" can provide a fresh emphasis on something. For instance, my church invited a few different missionaries to preach on Sunday mornings during a missions emphasis month.
No, Calvinists/Reformed see the Bibical mandate being that once realy saved by Grace of God, then we shall be living in a fashion diferent than before saved, and in the process of becoming more obedient toJesus now!
We Calvinists do hold to he Future Hope of the Second Coming of Christ, but the basis of our hope and security is the Cross of Christ!
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