Featured Dr. D. Wallace's View of Election

Does, and to faith (belief) of truth 2 Thes 2:13, have same meaning as, out of hearing of faith (belief) Gal 3:3?

Both of those being the means of us having the Spirit of sanctification. Read both passages.

Now I have a question or two. John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

What did Jesus mean by that in bold? Was this said before or after the trip to the Garden of Gethsemane?

Did he mean, if I am not obedient unto death even the death of the cross, the Comforter, the Holy Spirit will not come unto you?

Hebrews 5:7,8 YLT who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared, through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,

Was it in the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus learned the obedience? What obedience? if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you

The obedience of faith? Whose faith, whose belief? The Father's? Why did the promise of the Holy Spirit get shed on us?

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Phil 2:8,9 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Acts 2:32,33 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. “Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.



That is why Van is wrong. Belief of truth isn't something he does it is what he heard about. And what he heard about is how we received the Spirit of sanctification.



That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through (the) faith.
3:14 ἵνα εἰς τὰ ἔθνη ἡ εὐλογία τοῦ Ἀβραὰμ γένηται ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ ἵνατὴν ἐπαγγελίαν τοῦ πνεύματος λάβωμεν διὰ τῆς πίστεως

Salvation is all, A L L, of God the Father through the Son of the living God.

 

Sorry I'm not familiar with your personal term "taint so".

Your quote is right here:

"However, "nothing is impossible with God" is not one of them."

Again, Van I am not vilifying you, but you are very cryptic and hard to understand, which is why I ask questions for clarification.



Far as Dr. Wallace's view of Election:

"(3) Election is necessary because we are totally depraved sinners.2 In other words, we would not choose God unless he first chose us."


I would give the Augustinian argument against the Manicheans
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Augustine on the Nature of Good:

Chapter 4.— Evil is Corruption of Measure, Form, or Order
When accordingly it is inquired, whence is evil, it must first be inquired, what is evil, which is nothing else than corruption, either of the measure, or the form, or the order, that belong to nature. Nature therefore which has been corrupted, is called evil, for assuredly when incorrupt it is good; but even when corrupt, so far as it is nature it is good, so far as it is corrupted it is evil.

Chapter 6.— Nature Which Cannot Be Corrupted is the Highest Good; That Which Can, is Some Good
But if corruption take away all measure, all form, all order from corruptible things, no nature will remain. And consequently every nature which cannot be corrupted is the highest good, as is God. But every nature that can be corrupted is also itself some good; for corruption cannot injure it, except by taking away from or diminishing that which is good.


Chapter 17.— Nature, in as Far as It is Nature, No Evil
No nature, therefore, as far as it is nature, is evil; but to each nature there is no evil except to be diminished in respect of good. But if by being diminished it should be consumed so that there is no good, no nature would be left; not only such as the Manichæans introduce, where so great good things are found that their exceeding blindness is wonderful, but such as any one can introduce.

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There is no "holy evil" or wholly evil, evil has always been a missing or incompleteness.

If your spirit has been corrupted to a point there is no good or totally depraved then it is totally destroyed, there is no nature there to be found.



Dr. Wallace defines Total Depravity:
"Total depravity does not mean that we are as bad as we could be. Rather, it means that (1) sin has tainted every aspect of our being--our hearts, bodies, and minds; (2) we would be as bad as we could be if it were not for God's common grace (by which he protects humans in general from becoming as wicked as possible); and (3) there is no spark of the divine within us, nothing good that moves God toward that person, as though he or she deserves to be saved."


How can mankind be CREDITED with COMMON GRACE as if this magnetic field that obviously belongs to God is ours?

Simply is the common grace me? no its not.

In other words Total Depravity claims indeed WE ARE AS BAD AS WE COULD BE.

If God were to snap his finger and stop the devil from doing anything for a day that doesn't mean the devil is well behaved or is not as bad as he could be.


If you are diminished corrupted to where there is nothing Good, then there is no nature, you are destroyed, it isn't even "you".

 

God choose us to be saved in Christ from Eternity past, and He provided to them the saving faith needed to received Jesus and confirm their election!

 

Interesting that even your verse used here states that God Himself called us out!

 

God wrote down in Hid book of life all the names of His own, and the days allocated to them before we got here, right?

 

Van, I am not out to get you. Because I still don't even know where you stand thanks to your lack of communication and over vilifying conspiracy theory attitude.

Without God even breathing is impossible.

"You seem to reject "total spiritual inability" on the basis of philosophy, rather than scripture. If so, you are right for the wrong reason."

Show me scriptural evidence that Scriptural Evidence is above all the superior evidence and only sole source of truth.

Else admit that your formula itself is a made up philosophy rather then scripture.

Its not in the bible YOUR PHILOSOPHY is putting WORDS into the mouth of God.

 

God chose us to get saved before we received Jesus thru faith!

 

Yes, that is how 2 Thessalonians reads. I pointed out the clear progression in 2:13. Faith does not come before the work of the Holy Spirit.
You are wrong, Van. You have been proven wrong over and over again. Your claim that we attack you is a bogus claim. We show you that your interpretation of 2 Thessalonians 2:13 is clearly wrong. You persist in your wrong interpretation anyway, despite being proven wrong over and over and over again.
You are simply being very bullheaded.

 

God chooses us, entirely due to his good will and Pleasure, BEFORE we chose Jesus to get saved, as he first chose us in him to be saved now!