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Preterism - True Or false?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by robycop3, Jul 31, 2017.

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  1. HankD

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    When all else fails attack the person?

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    There. Fixed. This is not the first such obtuse thread he's started that maligns a whole multitude of sincere Bible students down through the ages: I take it personally when he thoughtlessly groups us together as 'phony'.

    Preterism...A Pox Upon Baptists & other denoms
     
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    When was the second coming and the resurrection of the saints in Christ?
     
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    Maybe because they said that His blood be upon us AND our children?
     
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    Partial pret is acceptably;e, but full blown is Heresy!
     
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    Most of us believe that Jesus will return at the end of time for resurrection & judgment.

    What is your definition of a "futurist?"

    The BIG problem with futurism is that it cannot be tested by its fulfilment. That gives interpreters like Scofield & LaHaye plenty of scope for their imagination. The Tim & Jerry "Left Behind" books & films may be exciting for some, but they cannot be tested in the way valid prophecy should be. Deuteronomy 18:20-22

    You can challenge Fulfilment Theology by history & the Scriptural record. The scoffers of 2 Peter 3:1-9 were doing just that. They soon suffered for their scoffing, their despising the long-suffering of God. Peter goes on to prophecy the final coming & NH&NE after an indefinite "millennium." We have the assurance of the fulfilment of that prophecy by the past fulfilments - the flood & the destruction.
     
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    No, they were not. They were mocking the promises of God.

    What about "1000 years" do you find "indefinite?"
     
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    They continued to reject Jesus and continued their false worship. Even if the Old Covenant had continued, their worship was still false, as it was largely dictated by the man-made rules of the Pharisees. So, those Jews were doubly guilty.

    And, Sir, that exile of the Jews plainly happened, as did their being persecuted everywhere they went after they were kicked outta Rome. It continued til 1945, when the nazis fell. After that, God began to lift their punishment. While they still continue to reject Jesus, God has caused their nation to be restored, in order to fulfill prophecies. But individual Jews will still pay the penalty if they die still denying Jesus as Savior & Messiah.
     
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    Your aren't phony k - you know your not. I think he knows that too.

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    Well, I didn't want to quote that passage.

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    Well you hold to a form of futurism. If Christ is to return at the end of time for resurrection and judgement then that is still a future event.

    Yes down through the ages many many futurist theories have come forth. Personally I am a chialist (at very least).

    Also IMO there will be Jacob's Trouble.

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    Apparently, you don't know what the AOD is.

    Daniel 11:31 "“His armies shall rise up and desecrate the sanctuary fortress. They shall abolish the daily sacrifice and set up the abomination that makes desolate.


    DANIEL 9:27 " And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

    Daniel 12:11"“From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    2 Thess. 2: 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

    Rev. 13: 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

    So we see, the AOD will be when the antichrist enters the Jews' new temple with his deputy the false prophet, sets up his statue, which the FP will supernaturally make to speak, and declare himself to be God. It's right there in Scripture.
     
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    Take it any way you jolly well please; I don't care. I HATE all such false doctrines.. Preterism is a FALSE DOCTRINE. Its proselytes CANNOT PROVE any of their pronouncements.
     
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    The prets cannot & will not try to answer.
     
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    Partial preterism is also false. Jesus said that IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great trib was ended, there'd be a great cosmological disturbance, during which He'd return. If the great trib has already happened, He's long overdue!

    Simple truth is, it HASN'T yet happened, so partial pret is false.
     
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    HE'S not phony but his preterism doctrine is!
     
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    It's the same old rhetoric. You say prophecy has been fulfilled, yet we can't see it - we say prophecy has been fulfilled, yet you can't see it.

    It seems endless. Yet I still see scripture saying 'fulfillment theology' rather than 'futurist theology'. Putting the 'god' Judaism or the 'gods' Jews in control of Christianity and its future is just wrong. The scriptures say that there is NO difference between Jew and Gentile, bond or free - we that are saved are all one big family with the same future - a new Heaven and a new Earth. All equal! All receive the same eternal life! ALL!

    So the reason we disagree pivots on who we worship - the God and Creator Jesus Christ, the fullness of the Godhead in human form - or the lost nation we call the Jews.

    That's how I see it.

    When you put it in perspective, that's what it boils down to.

    And none of the Apostle's or the Lord Jesus said anything like futurist theology.
     
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    ...moooo....
     
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    Full preterism is false. Partial preterism still views some future prophetic events yet to take place; namely the return of Christ.
     
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    I think you need to read up on partial preterism. Respectfully speaking, I do not believe you understand it.
     
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