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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Reformed, May 12, 2019.

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  1. 1689Dave

    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    I didn't say that. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit God must provide before you can believe in any true sense.
     
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    You consider faith a work?
     
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    It turns grace into works and the gospel into law if it becomes a legal condition for salvation. It is a work of the flesh in this setting. But true faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit one must have before they supernaturally believe and then respond.
     
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    Grace was extended before the fall of man, Grace is not the ability to make a righteous response but the ability to have a righteous outcome to our action. We cannot provide Salvation , but God did.
     
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    Paul must have bout understood that.
     
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    Paul taught salvation by grace.
     
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    If Adam had eternal life He'd still be alive. There are no interruptions in eternal.
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    They could not be in torment for ever unless they were alive to experience it. Amen
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    This has no biblical basis, scripture says not all have faith.
     
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    Because you follow Calvinism. That is what other Calvinist have convinced you of. Calvinism is not in scripture.
    There will be those saved and those lost. And I deny most all of Calvinism.
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    This is not found in scripture. It was written by men not spiritually inspired.
     
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    You are completely denying biblical revelation concerning Adam as our federal head and the fall into sin and death
    It is not possible to come to a correct understanding of salvation when this happens
    Rom3:23 says all sinned at one point in time. You deny this.when you do, you deny the whole passage
     
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    That is why truth eludes you and it will unless and until you deal with the passages you explain away.
     
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    Not true because the man with the meat does not have to give it. So in fact he does save a life.
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    But the final savior is the one who chooses to eat.
     
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    I am denying what you cannot prove with scripture.
    No I am not denying Rom 3:23 all have sinned but not in Adam which is not in scripture..
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    It is found in scripture, that is why they listed.it as they have.you just hate that it is so scriptural that you cannot deal with it except to just deny it w
    The verse goes not mean all have sinned by their own experience(which we have).
    It means...all sinned at one point in time.All sinned in Adam in the garden...that is exactly what it means and that is exactly what you deny.
    It is written in the aorist tense...look it up.
     
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    It is found in scripture, that is why they listed.it as they have.you just hate that it is so scriptural that you cannot deal with it except to just deny it wholesale.
     
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    According to whom ? You. You are not qualified to make such a judgement. Everything is a work to Calvinist even faith but faith is not a work. The word work implies physical labor. There is no physical labor in eating, or believing, or Choosing Christ. We are not commanded to believe. Yet if we do not believe we are lost. With out belief or faith there can be no salvation. Scripture says so and you deny this. In fact IMO Calvinist deny most of scripture by trying to make it agree with there doctrines.
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    What happens if you refuse to respond?
     
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