Featured Loss of salvation---the Extent

There is a very good case to be made that Revelation 21-22 are the millennium. Yes, there are problems with that view, but also with the view that Revelation 21-22 are in eternity. Nevertheless, the point remains valid, in either dispensation, that non-church saved peoples will need the tree of life.

There is no such thing as pre-elect men unto salvation.
Election happens in time, once we get in him (Eph.1:4) which is when we believe on him in time (Eph.1:13).
The before the foundation of the world part (Eph.1:4) is simply his foreknowledge (1Pe.1:2) of who would believe on Christ and thus get in him (Eph.1:4).

 

There are three categories of angels.


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

I have bolded your statement, which makes no sense.
What you have done is an attempt to castrate election entirely.
Basically, you say that election doesn't exist until after a person chooses God, then that causes God to elect the person who chose to be saved.

That is nonsensical.

 

You actually did get an answer from John 10. Jesus is quite clear.
I will even bold the words so you don't miss them.

John 10:27-29
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

 

The sons of god fell when Satan did. But they are reserved in Tartarus never to be let out until they are cast into the lake of fire.
What’s so difficult to understand?


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

You already ignored the answer. Adam like the angels was created in a state of unconfirmed holiness with the ability to choose contrary to his nature. The angels that sinned have been confirmed in unrighteousness and are without hope.
The angels that did not sin have been confirmed in righteousness and cannot sin.
Believers will receive glorified bodies at the resurrection and will not have the capacity to make a unholy choice.

What a weak mess. End of thread


Joy unspeakable full of glory

 

That's exactly it. That's what the book says.

 

And that's how the game is rigged folks - always ignoring that pesky in him in Ephesians 1:4.

 

What book are you reading? Can't be the Bible in your hands.

 

I think you're confusing "wheat" and "tares".
Please see Matthew 13.

 

What's pesky about it?

Ephesians 1:3-14
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

 

I don't know for sure. But there's no question about one thing ... If you can't lose your salvation by an means, then you can't lose it by believing you can lose it. There are a lot of warnings which seem to be addressed to Christians; such as Romans 8:12-13, which say one may still choose sin and death. So "eternal security" is not a doctrine of which I am completely convinced.

As a math/statistics major, it has long bothered me that terms such as eternal, absolute, ever and never come into play on any person's fate. As many would know, Euclidean geometry plays a major part in mathematical education. But there is non-Euclidean geometry, based on one of Euclid's axioms. He said that, regarding a line in a plane and a point in that plane not in such a line, only one line parallel to the given line exists. But recalling that point, line, and plane are left undefined, there exist 2 other possibilities. One is that NO line can exist which is parallel to the given line, as all lines meet somewhere, given millionths, billionths, trillionths, and so on, of any measurement. The other possibility is that infinitely many lines exist which are parallel to the given line, as infinity is infinitely small (and never smallest). So, can we go to infinity of life never sinning? We already know that Satan and his followers sinned-- turned against God-- so we cannot deny that sin is possible even in the realm in which God is known and seen. So then it would appear that, unless we are literally some form of puppets which don't choose anything, that it is possible.

Having said all that, I will reduce it here to an ultra-elementary level .... Have you ever heard a silly song that starts, "Found a peanut..."?