Soteriology 101

Through does not mean by reason of.

 

Van, you must have a different concept of salvation. It seems that you think humans are significant assistants to God in their own salvation. It's as if you think God cannot save without human assistance.
Here's the text. No additions or changes:
Ephesians 2:4-9
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Look at all that God does. Even the faith comes from God by which he confirms our salvation to us.
Don't ignore the entire passage in an attempt to change what "through" is addressing. Let the whole define the use of the word, through.

Back to the first question. Do you assist God in your salvation.?

Finally, you need to speak to me directly. If you cannot do this, you will be disingenuous and failing to converse with me. Talk to me directly. Can you do this?

 

Paul in Romans 8 pretty much demolishes all of your precious salvation theology Van, and cannot "taint so", him, not unless you have better revelation then he received from Jesus directly!

 

Van, I asked you to directly talk to me when I directly addressed your post and provided scripture to discuss. You failed to do that. You are being disingenuous. I cannot respect what you say when you will not address me directly. You may go back, reply to my earlier post and speak directly to my point. Otherwise you have lost any respect from people who might engage you.
Please speak to me regarding post #84.

 

Van, you cannot talk directly to people. You should be aware that you have lost any voice with readers as you are incapable of having direct dialogue with others.
If you ever want to talk, address me directly.

 

I never denied total depravity. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

Show me any dictionary where through means by reason of.....

 

Galatians 3:18-29
For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one. Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

Hebrews 12:2 tells us Jesus is the author and finisher of faith. The text quoted from Galatians 3 tells us that Jesus and faith are one. Jesus is the author of faith. Without Jesus one does not have faith. Faith is therefore given to the children of the promise. In this passage we understand that we are justified by Christ Jesus who is our faith.

 

Van this is not true. Stop bearing false witness. Do it again and it will just be flat out lying.

 

I do not deny we are saved through faith, Scripture states this clearly. But we are not saved by reason of faith. That is not in Scripture. That is you, once again, adding something to Scripture that is not there. We are saved by reason of the grace of God.

 

this is so TOTALLY unbiblical! where do you get your "theology" from, as it is certainly NOT from the 66 Books of the Holy Bible! Lets have the chapter and verse for this, "we are saved though or by reason of faith"

 

See @Van even non-Calvinists say this is bogus.