Featured John 6:37

You need to learn some Greek.

 

Fortunately, we have more than this one verse (or even this one chapter) to fill in the missing information about PERSON B that God does indeed give them the necessary information, the gospel, and that hearing it they can believe or disbelieve it is their choice
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
and again here
Rom 10:13 For "WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED."
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

God will give the son all those that believe in Him just like the bible says.

 

Right GOD knows all those that will freely trust in His son. Who is questioning that?

 

Don't miss that God predestined them to become conformed to the image of His Son. They were to grow so as to become more and more Christ like in their Christian walk while living and this was to be made complete when one is taken home to be with Him.

 

If you want to go with the "total inability" view then you have to say that man also has no ability to sin on his own. Remember your the one's that say God is sovereign in such a way that nothing can or does happen that He does not control.

Logically if man has no ability to choose to follow God then that would mean that everyone that is in hell is there because God made it so. If you say that man always chooses his greatest desire in the hope that will save you, sorry you fail. Remember your version of sovereign means that even the desire is something that God made the man have.

Calvinism when taken to it's logical conclusion does not work as they like to portray it.

 

You say you have no problem with "limited atonement, unconditional election, and irresistable grace". But have you thought them through to there logical conclusion.?

God unconditionally chooses to save some, but not all, Christ died only for the elect that God unconditionally chooses to save, and God gives irresistible grace to the fortunate elect. If you do not meet any of these conditions then you are doomed from the start.

You said "they choose of their own free will to respond in faith, believing in Christ" but under the calvinist TULIP that is not an option. In calvinism man has no real free will.

Calvinists will say that man always chooses his greatest desire so he has free will. But that free will is to always sin. But what they fail to mention is that under their view of the sovereignty of God, one where He decrees and controls all things that can or will happen, even the desires of the mans' heart are determined by God. So what they present as free will is just false, it is not free will it is a controlled will.

 

Where do you not find it in scripture?

 

You guys are the ones making the claim.

 

I keep saying the same thing to you but in your case it has not helped.

"whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son"

You may wonder why God would predestinate those He foreknew? it is because those He called through the gospel message when they believed He justified them, and those same ones will be glorified. And that is why they will be conformed to the image of His son.
Seems clear to me and just like Paul said here
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

 

While I do not agree with calvinism I do agree that man is depraved. Man is a sinner by nature but man also has the ability to make real free will choices. We see this all the time in ourselves and in others.

If you continue on from Eph 1:10 we find that man can and some do trust in Christ Jesus by choice.
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
That salvation by faith is all part of Gods' plan as He works all things after the counsel of His will.

Is man depraved, YES, is he so depraved that he can not upon hearing the gospel message choose the follow Christ Jesus, NO.

 

Just curious, what do you think foreknew means?

 

Free will does not mean you can choose anything. Do I have the free will to be a major leaguer? It is your humanistic thinking, that you can choose whatever you want equally, that gives us the transgender movement.

 

What you say leaves out one important point, man has to respond to God drawing him before he is one of Gods' sheep. The gift of salvation by Gods' grace is through faith. If it was not for the love and mercy of God no one would or could be saved. God, because He is omniscient, has known from before time who would freely trust in His son and be justified and has predestined them to be conformed to the image of His son.

God wanted all mankind to be saved but would not violate their free will to make that happen. Such is the love of God for His creation.

 

I would say that if you hold to the WCF/LBCF then what ever happens here is because God decreed it to happen. That is what those confessions say isn't it.

 

When one reads the calvinist texts and ones sees what is written there what are they supposed to think. Just because calvinist say that the words do not mean what they say does not change what they say.

 

Now you are just playing silly games. Do you think that God foreknowing something is not the same as Him foreseeing something? I would expect the better of you

 

But you expect us to accept what calvinism puts forward although it is not stated in scripture. Double standard

 

Why, what did he get wrong. You just make negative comments but add nothing.

 

The meaning of foreknew for example.

 

It is not foreknowing something it is foreknowing someone. And correct, it is not the same as foresight.