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  1. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    NT Prophets, it clearly says NT prophets. Bro, do not let your preconceived ideas deter you from seeing what the Scriptures clearly teach.
  2. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    Incorrect...What do the Scriptures teach? Ephesians 3 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ; 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets.
  3. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    What does the Bible teach? Ephesians 4:10-11 says they are gifts. 1 Cor. 12 says they are gifts. Literally, they are "Gifts of People" to the church.
  4. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    I agree :) And Ephesians 4:11 doesn't call the prophet an office, but a gift to the Church. Just wanted to clarify--as office is given to Elder/Overseer.
  5. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    Remember what Moses said when Joshua wanted to tell the men to stop prophesying after the Spirit of God fell on them? Moses said, "I would that all of God's people would be prophets." Numbers 11:29
  6. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    Jesus Christ is coming soon! Is that not prophetic? Agabus proclaiming a famine, that is prophetic. Once again, i wouldn't want to put God in a box my friend and dismiss the clear revelation that Scripture has set forth.
  7. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    Well, consider this. If a Missionary/Apostle goes to a new area preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Bible says that his message can be "confirmed" with signs and wonders. I wouldn't put God in a box, nor would i want to dismiss the plain teachings of Scripture.
  8. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    In short, no, Missionaries/apostles are not evangelists. They "Do the work of an evangelist" but they are distinct giftings. And side note, those "circuit evangelists" that are in most American Church circles are not evangelists, they are prophets--calling God's people to a greater obedience...
  9. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    I've quoted Scripture and shared the plain meaning of the text. You can add whatever man-made terminology you want, the text is clearly teaching the works of apostles. God calls apostles to particular works, just as He does with evangelists and teachers, etc. Man does not appoint apostles or...
  10. JonShaff

    What Was Adam Pre-Fall

    Bottom Line--Scripture is clear, we are not being "restored back to Adam's pre-fallen state." We are being Transformed, from glory to glory, into Christ.
  11. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    They are Kingdom Advancers--They would function similarly. I bet it would blow your mind if i told you that 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus are not "Pastoral Epistles", but Apostolic Epistles (ordain elders in every city). Timothy is an apostle who has followed up Paul's work and was instructed to...
  12. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    Healing is mostly for unbelievers. Signs that the Kingdom is in their midst.
  13. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    Read Ephesians 4:11-16. They are Church Planters/Equipper/Pioneers for Gospel works where there is no or little Gospel Access. Foreign and Domestic. They lay the foundation so that Teacher/Shepherds can continue to mature the saints for works of service. That's why Paul said: Romans 15:20, NIV...
  14. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    You do realize apostles and prophets have more functions than what you state, right? Apostle = sent ones. the Latin word for that is Missio, where we get our word Missionary = sent ones. Read Ephesians 4:11-16 again. And Again. And Again. They are ministries that will be around until the...
  15. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    You realize, brother, that not all Apostles wrote scripture, right? Matter of fact, Mark was not an (original) apostle and he wrote Scripture. Luke was not an (original) apostle and he wrote Scripture. While i agree that Scripture is not being written, your claim is still pointless. (original...
  16. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    I agree here totally. Brother, people will not see what they do not want to see. They will not believe what they do not want to believe. God is raising up prophets and apostles and evangelists all around the world--way too many members were wearing Saul's armor, thinking pastor/teacher was the...
  17. JonShaff

    How many of the Spirit Gifts still operating, and are they anyApostles/prophets today?

    Ephesians 4 is still in my bible... 11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds[c] and teachers,[d] 12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son...
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